Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 01:45 PM

'This guitar kills'.

50 MPs names, but still only 4 from New Labour?

What was this all about going out and listening to the wishes of the electorate?

They don't appear to be listening to all those voters of all persausions who are signing up to the petition's wording?

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 03:00 AM

Interesting that it carries a stricter sentence than causing actual bodily harm.

Singing in a group in a bar = 6 months imprisonment/£20,000 fine
Fractured skull             = £400 fine + compensation of £50
Death by drunk driving      = £500 fine and slapped wrists, don't do it again.


LTS

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 06:25 PM

The Party make up of the current 41 names, is interesting.
Con33
Lab 2
Lib   4
Plaid Cymru 1
Ulster Unionist 1

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 12:21 AM

Despite the amazing response to the petition, EDM 331 seems to be stuck on 30 names!

Perhaps we just have to work a little harder on our elected representitives, who will, after all, have the final say?

For MP's emails - http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/alms.htm

To send a FAX. All you need is your post code - http://www.faxyourmp.com/

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: IanC
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 07:20 AM

I've been corresponding with my (con) MP, Oliver Heald on the issue of the new bill. He seems quite incensed and is up for signing this, as well as the churches EDM (208).

Can't see his signature on either yet, though.

:-)

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: GUEST,pavane
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 07:12 AM

If the objective is to stop councils using it as a cash cow, then Camden will be disappointed. They already warned that licences would have to go UP to administer the system, didn't they?

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: ET
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 02:28 AM

I have had an idea.   Why not using he Licensing Bill to create a new music police force. Wearing bright red uniforms and armed with electronic tuners and metronomes they could have the power to issue £100 fixed penalty notices to any musician who hit a bum note, or exceeded 120 beats per minute.

Special attention could be given to piano accordionists, bagpipers and harmonica players with a 50% penalty uplift. Saxophonists would have double penalties.

Controls could be introduced and enforced by this lot as to what is played. Jazz could become a serious criminal offence carrying six months, folk music, if the words are not approved, could result in long terms in psychiatric institutions, and as to anyone playing Bach, well, remember how many children he had as a result.

This could at a stroke, reduce unemployment for musicians, increase government revenue and impose total control.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 07:58 PM

Can YOU help the Blue Bell Session?

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 07:54 PM

It was hoped that the original idea would sort out a lot more than what you state Gareth.

Did we ever think council officers would prevent 'foot tapping' and prosecute 'swaying'?

The only way to prevent this stupidity is to make it impossible. We are being asked to trust the very folk who have proved we cannot trust them.

These people are skilled but not to decide for us what is or is not entertainment. Free them from this and let them concentrate on what is safe or unsafe.

As for the cash cow, it may well be taken away from the councils, although they are still trying to set their own fees, but will become a blank cheque for Government to raise their annual 'revenue stream'.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: Gareth
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 07:34 PM

Mmmm ! - Just to add a little objectivity to this matter.#

THe original problem was to remove the question of PEL's away from Councils - and stop them using this as a "cash cow" - You will note that this is exactly what the propsed legislation does.

I have no faith in the efforts of the jodsworths to get it right, but I feel that an air of Hysteria has now overcome logic.

To make a point, I see no prospect of any local authority trying to impose conditions that will cost them money to try and enforce. I have some experience of trying to get my local authority to enforce noise pollution parameters against a local disco/dance center.

No sensible lobbying and such to fine tune is in order, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water !!!!

Oh and by the way my MP is fully aware of the concerns. Shambles ad Hamishes facts and opinions are before him.

Gareth

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)(PEL)
From: breezy
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 07:25 PM

Done , easy, www.faxyourmp.com and theyclaim to ask you if you get a reply in a fortnights time.Its in their interests to respond.I'll probably see mine in person before then, thanks to all you hard working fellows out there, dont let the buggers grind you down.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 06:25 PM

Having read the motion, I sent the following Email to my local MP for Strathkelvin, John Lyons.
Ill PM you if I get a reply
"Can you please add your signature to this Early day Motion.
Although it is for England it seems that Scottish, Irish and most other EU laws music to be played as entertainment. I dread to think what would happen in Scotland if this type of Licensing was considered here. My friends who entertin in nursing homes would no longer be able to entertain and the residents would no longer be able to be entertained by live entertainers, for the princely sum of a cup of tea and a biscuit.
It would be a downright shame for the legistlation proposed to be inflicted our colleagues south of the border.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: ET
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 05:46 PM

Sorry Shambles. Just spotted this and added a new link DONT LET THE MUIS POLICE GET YOU. Still on second thoughts the more that see this the better.

Cheers

ET

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 02:53 PM

Thank you, will do it in a few minutes. Did just email Peterborough about the Blue Bell.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 02:52 PM

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Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 02:40 PM

Perhaps we should start a tourist boycott? What else seems so UK than to see people enjoying live music in their local pubs? Who would we email to let them know we may start a boycott?

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: pavane
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 02:36 PM

No, it is all about raising more cash for councils.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: MMario
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 10:29 AM

forget the music industry - have they figured out what an impact this would have on the average person who might occasionally want to sing, period?

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 10:26 AM

I've already e-mailed my MP - but I got no answer from him on previous ocasions and he never signed up to the the previous EDM either.

Subject: RE: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 10:24 AM

For MP's emails - http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/alms.htm

To send a FAX. All you need is your post code - http://www.faxyourmp.com/

Subject: Common's Early Day Motion 331 (new)
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Dec 02 - 10:21 AM

House of Commons- Early Day Motion 331.

http://edm.ais.co.uk/weblink/html/motion.html/ref=331

LICENSING OF LIVE MUSIC 10.12.02
Whittingdale/John

That this House expresses concern that the Licensing Bill proposals to make the performance of live music licensable in pubs and clubs, in places where alcohol is served, in churches, synagogues, mosques and other places of worship, in schools and colleges, in community centres and village and parish halls, and in private homes and gardens where private parties and weddings may be held will have an enormously detrimental effect on musicians and live music performances; fears that the raising of money for charities by musicians will be seriously compromised; considers it will seriously impinge on the folk community including folk music and traditional folk activities such as morris dancing, wassailing, &c; believes that the penalties for breaking the law of a six month jail sentence of a £20,000 fine are far too draconian; considers it grossly unfair and inconsistent that live music will not be licensable in Scotland but will be in England and Wales; regrets that the Government has decided to replace the anomalous two in a bar rule with a none in a bar rule which will catch all live music performances; believes that the requirement for the provision of entertainment facilities to become licensable which will ensnare music shops, music and dance studios and teachers, represents a totally unacceptable regulatory intrusion into mainstream activities; and calls on the Government to amend the relevant parts of bill in order to remove the iniquities faced by musicians and the music industry as a whole.

Please circulate this and get your MP to sign?

If you have not a UK MP, send me a PM and you can use mine. Thanks to all.......