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Subject: RE: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV
From: kirstenanderberg
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 03:48 AM

The above post re they were told to get out, blah blah, again is so stupid as to not be worthy of response. Every IDIOT by now knows they COULD NOT LEAVE. NO MEANS WERE PROVIDED. So again, once you start actually connecting the dots, interacting will get easier!


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Subject: RE: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV
From: kirstenanderberg
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 03:46 AM

I did not respond because most of it was stupid dribble...racist crap. A disgrace to a music site. There were a few people who got it, but on the whole, y'all just did not offer much to comment ON. It was illogical dribble on the whole. People who do not understand the dictionary definition of "genocide," people making stupid racist comments. Again, when the intelligent conversation begins, I will chime in. There IS intelligent conversation on these articles elsewhere on the web. Hoping someday Mudcat will rise to that level. But again, if you want me to join in on 160 comments, they need to say something other than predominantly racist dribble I, and all of us, have heard a thousand times before. And sorry, I forgot your format thingie re one paragraph. Funny how that REALLY only is an issue with articles that rub people the wrong way politically tho...You all are a pretty redneck bunch for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:38 AM

Hi, Kirsten - I moved your article titled "Only Whites Claim Katrina's Poor Response is NOT Racist" to the Genocide in New Orleans thread, which seems to be related.

You started two threads in a row, #84431 and 84432, both about Hurricane Katrina, and you actually didn't discuss anything in either thread. You just copy-pasted something that you had already posted elsewhere on the Internet. We are a discussion forum, not just a wall for you to paste on. People responded to you, and you didn't reply to their comments - that's not a discussion. Stick around and talk with the people here - but don't just go dumping copy-pasted words on us.

Thanks.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV
From: NH Dave
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:16 AM

Sorry, Kirsten, but the penalty for looting has always been death, when caught. The fact that some of these people may not have considered this before they decided to help themselves to the property of others has never been an adequate defense of the crime. While food and water may well have been taken by thise in need, the pictures of looting I saw was plain old thieves taking whatever they could carry away, or put into a shopping cart.

    Most of the citiens of New Orleans were notified of the impending hurricane, and and advised to leave for less dangerous areas of the country. After the flooding transportation was arranged to get those who still remained in the city out, first to the Superdome, and now to other areas not affected by the storm. During these evacuation efforts those city police who remained on duty were coming under fire from the lawless element within the city. For this and reasons having to do with the preservation of law and good order the Marines and Guardsmen, many just back from Iraq, went on duty with loaded fire arms and instructions to use them as required. I don't know why the black population of New Orleans, nearly 70% of the total population, decided not to leave their homes, but perhaps they knew their neighbors better then we can.

    I don't know when you only saw the one crane repairing the break in the canal bank. When I saw the repairs underway a Blackhawk helicopter was busy dumping huge buckets of fill into the breach, and it appears that this hole has been repaired, as the city has started pumping out the waters as of this afternoon. As more of the pumps come up out of the water they will be used as well.

    Our FEMA and similar agencies certainly need to be investigated to determine why it took so long to gear up and get to work, but now that various emergency people are in place, most of the water should be cleared out rapidly. The real task will be the rebuilding, however, and that may take years to complete, and we will have to asses the needs and their priorities before we can start rebuilding.

    Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:14 AM

Kirsten, I wish you would just post your first paragraph or so, then provide a link to your website for the complete op/ed piece. It's just plain good manners.


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Subject: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV
From: kirstenanderberg
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 01:49 AM

The Death Sentence for Stealing a Damaged TV in New Orleans

By Kirsten Anderberg (www.kirstenanderberg.com)

We all remember quite well in 2003 how GWBush sent troops invading Iraq STRAIGHT to the oil fields to protect THEM first and foremost. While America "guarded" Iraq's oil supply, they let the hospitals, museums, universities and libraries become gutted and looted. Some of the oldest pieces of art ever found are now lost, thanks to GWBush. I feel what we just saw in New Orleans after Katrina was very similar. America has become a government to protect elite business profits WORLDWIDE. We all know about the Cheney - Haliburton connection and we all know about the Bush family oil connection. At this point, people are just little bumps in the road for the SUVs and military vehicles of the Bush administration worldwide.

In an accredited American law school, I was taught that the force of violence must not outweigh the necessity or you can become liable for the results. One such example of this was the use of spring-loaded guns. In the South, primarily, people used to use these spring-loaded guns that would fire at the door if anyone came in the door while you were gone. But more than a few times emergency workers trying to save these homes from fires, etc., opened the doors and were shot dead. The reason that spring-loaded guns were outlawed is they used deadly force to protect property, solely, and that supposedly is not legal in the U.S. Yet I just saw that exact thing take place in New Orleans.

In New Orleans last week, the police were sent into the city and told to "shoot to kill." The heavily armed cops and military personnel aimed guns at DESPERATE people in New Orleans trying to salvage some way to survive. Even if going into stores taking things from the shelves did nothing but DISTRACT these people from their lingering misery America was putting them through, THAT ALONE would have been worth it to me. As they were left suffering for days innumerable and at this point, I say give those survivors every damn thing off of every damn shelf of every damn store in New Orleans. That would come nowhere near the reparations these people deserve and need for this atrocity.

Additionally, all of that stuff in stores that armed police were guarding are tax write offs. There is not one chance in hell that a single item from ANY of those stores flooded in New Orleans will be resold. Those items will ALL be written off as business losses. So you explain to me why these victims of blatant racism should not just take this stuff. It makes absolutely no sense. It is clear that NO ONE was going to be hurt by the "looting" of those stores. NO ONE. Yet we were gonna SHOOT TO KILL anyone who tried to "loot."

We all realize that people taking food, water, clothing, shoes, etc. needed those things most surely and since the government was nowhere to be found, for days and days and days, they seriously had to do what they could. To call people who took food and water when abandoned to rot and die in the middle of an American 21st Century city "looters" is just plain divisive nonsense. You tell me why when people were dying in need of water, food and rescue, these cops and military stood armed, ready to kill at STORES?! They had NOTHING better to do with these workers? You have GOT to be kidding!

And now we have even more nonsense coming out of FEMA Director Brown, and the Dept. of Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff's, mouths. When asked why they are not fixing the levees with anything but ONE LONE CRANE, so that New Orleans can be drained, the U.S. government says, "Do you want us to continue on the recovery effort, rescuing people still, or do you want us to fix levees?" HOW ABOUT YOU DO BOTH! It would cost what we spend in 1-2 DAYS in Iraq to go in there and fix those levees today. And when the federal government is asked why it is not collecting the dead bodies from the river, and on streets, they say "Do you want us to continue on the recovery effort, rescuing people still, or do you want us to collect and deal with all the dead bodies lying around?" WE WANT BOTH. Again, if we had the resources we have in Iraq available to New Orleans for even 1 day, all of these things could be done SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Surely this is not the first time in history that a tyrant has let the people he supposedly represents starve while building his empire outside of his own "kingdom." We have heard of many societies where the entire country actually perished because their powerhungry leaders spent all resources on imperialistic expansion, not on the country that gave them the money to go out and pillage and conquer. GWBush will go down in history as the WORST U.S. President EVER. He will also go down as the biggest terrorist to the world at this time in history. He will go down as the root of more deaths from 2001-2005 than ANY other man on earth. As an American, I can make no excuses as to why my country has allowed this madman to continue on his rampage throughout the world for corporate profit. We all knew that GWBush has no humanity towards anyone who is not American. But we did not realize, quite so fully, how much he hated the poor and people of color of his OWN country.

I cannot explain how or why the people of America have not already impeached this man. What Bush has done is so much WORSE than ANYTHING Nixon did. And Nixon had only two choices presented to him: resign or be impeached. We are there now with GWBush. He can retire NOW or he can be impeached. Those are the ONLY two options, sans JAIL for him. Even if he PACKS that Supreme Court with his buddies, we will STILL impeach this jerk. He IS an international and domestic criminal at this point, and we are harboring him. If we must, Americans will ask for help from outside our borders, maybe even appealing to international councils for help. We are heading for civil war in America if Bush is not taken out of power. His killing spree is unprecedented. He is rivaling emperors of old at this point. GWBush MUST be immediately impeached, forced to resign or jailed. Other options are not acceptable.

We MUST turn the American agenda around to put people before profits, people before property. WE MUST take this turn, for the sake of our children. I ask you all to start realizing we are going to need to impeach, jail or force resignation upon GWBush. And that means we are left with Cheney who has been absolutely MIA for a WEEK now after Katrina, so he will also have to go. And Condi Rice is also implemented in all this destruction and warring worldwide and she went shopping during the genocide of New Orleans. So we are going to literally have to remove huge portions of our government here. This is serious stuff. America is harboring war criminals and domestic terrorists in its own government. What went on in New Orleans this last week was nothing less than terrorism and an intentional genocide and I become more and more convinced of that by the day.

Finally, America's actions have hit home. WE AMERICANS are now GWBush's targets. We the poor in America are in 100% DANGER right now. WE MUST GET COURAGEOUS, WE MUST STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. GWBush is a MADMAN, of the ilk of legendary historical proportions. How much more can America and the world endure from this mad oil mogul?! Please, get a backbone and stand up against this madman. Every day that you do not, innocent poor people die for rich white American male corporate presidents, either in America or around the world. You know what is happening, what are you going to do about it?


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