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GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM
Greg F. 01 Oct 10 - 04:14 PM
Slag 01 Oct 10 - 04:39 PM
Stringsinger 01 Oct 10 - 04:58 PM
Bobert 01 Oct 10 - 06:14 PM
Greg F. 02 Oct 10 - 09:38 AM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 10 - 11:04 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 02 Oct 10 - 11:17 PM
Slag 03 Oct 10 - 11:41 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Oct 10 - 12:02 PM
Sawzaw 03 Oct 10 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Oct 10 - 01:19 PM
Bobert 03 Oct 10 - 08:13 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Oct 10 - 09:50 PM
Sawzaw 05 Oct 10 - 03:21 PM
Bobert 05 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM
Sawzaw 05 Oct 10 - 10:47 PM
Sawzaw 05 Oct 10 - 11:00 PM
Bobert 06 Oct 10 - 08:56 AM
Donuel 06 Oct 10 - 02:47 PM
Donuel 06 Oct 10 - 03:09 PM
Bobert 06 Oct 10 - 08:31 PM
Greg F. 07 Oct 10 - 09:20 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 10 - 09:44 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 10 - 10:11 AM
Bobert 07 Oct 10 - 10:13 AM
Bobert 07 Oct 10 - 10:42 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 10 - 10:09 PM
Bobert 07 Oct 10 - 10:48 PM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 10 - 11:02 PM
Bobert 08 Oct 10 - 08:18 AM
Bobert 08 Oct 10 - 08:41 AM
Sawzaw 08 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM
Bobert 08 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM
Sawzaw 08 Oct 10 - 02:59 PM
Sawzaw 08 Oct 10 - 11:35 PM
Bobert 09 Oct 10 - 08:22 AM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 10 - 09:42 AM
GUEST,Bobert on the road 09 Oct 10 - 07:49 PM
Sawzaw 10 Oct 10 - 02:11 AM
GUEST,Bobert on the road 10 Oct 10 - 09:29 AM
Sawzaw 10 Oct 10 - 11:05 AM
Sawzaw 10 Oct 10 - 11:27 AM
GUEST,Bobert, on the road... 10 Oct 10 - 08:53 PM
Bobert 09 Jan 11 - 09:41 AM
akenaton 09 Jan 11 - 01:03 PM
Greg F. 09 Jan 11 - 02:12 PM
mousethief 14 Jan 11 - 07:43 PM
The Fooles Troupe 03 Mar 11 - 07:42 PM
Stringsinger 04 Mar 11 - 04:04 PM
Stringsinger 04 Mar 11 - 04:13 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Mar 11 - 09:43 PM
Bobert 04 Mar 11 - 10:33 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Mar 11 - 01:41 AM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 07:54 AM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 08:33 AM
The Fooles Troupe 05 Mar 11 - 09:10 AM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 10:18 AM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 10:25 AM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 11:08 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Mar 11 - 12:13 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 12:15 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 01:05 PM
Stringsinger 05 Mar 11 - 01:28 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 01:36 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Mar 11 - 01:54 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 02:21 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 02:59 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 03:24 PM
TIA 05 Mar 11 - 04:32 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 05:56 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 06:49 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 06:59 PM
The Fooles Troupe 05 Mar 11 - 08:00 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 09:43 PM
Sawzaw 05 Mar 11 - 09:45 PM
Bobert 05 Mar 11 - 09:46 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Mar 11 - 10:30 PM
The Fooles Troupe 05 Mar 11 - 11:30 PM
The Fooles Troupe 05 Mar 11 - 11:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Mar 11 - 12:22 AM
Bobert 06 Mar 11 - 09:15 AM
Bobert 06 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,999 06 Mar 11 - 09:36 PM
Bobert 07 Mar 11 - 08:26 AM
Greg F. 07 Mar 11 - 09:46 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 07 Mar 11 - 09:58 AM
Greg F. 07 Mar 11 - 10:14 AM
Bobert 07 Mar 11 - 10:22 AM
pdq 07 Mar 11 - 10:37 AM
Greg F. 07 Mar 11 - 10:44 AM
Greg F. 07 Mar 11 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,999 07 Mar 11 - 10:52 AM
Greg F. 07 Mar 11 - 12:16 PM
GUEST,999 07 Mar 11 - 12:21 PM
GUEST,999 07 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM
GUEST,999 07 Mar 11 - 04:12 PM
GUEST,999 07 Mar 11 - 04:14 PM
The Fooles Troupe 07 Mar 11 - 04:52 PM
Stringsinger 07 Mar 11 - 05:10 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 07 Mar 11 - 05:36 PM
Bobert 07 Mar 11 - 08:18 PM
GUEST,999 07 Mar 11 - 09:33 PM
Don Firth 07 Mar 11 - 11:30 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Mar 11 - 03:33 AM
GUEST 08 Mar 11 - 04:59 AM
GUEST 08 Mar 11 - 05:00 AM
Bobert 08 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Mar 11 - 06:21 PM
Bobert 08 Mar 11 - 06:40 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Mar 11 - 06:42 PM
Bobert 08 Mar 11 - 07:25 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Mar 11 - 10:23 PM
pdq 08 Mar 11 - 10:26 PM
Don Firth 08 Mar 11 - 10:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Mar 11 - 11:34 PM
Don Firth 08 Mar 11 - 11:43 PM
GUEST,999 08 Mar 11 - 11:46 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Mar 11 - 12:42 AM
Don Firth 09 Mar 11 - 01:58 AM
The Fooles Troupe 09 Mar 11 - 03:35 AM
Bobert 09 Mar 11 - 07:00 AM
Donuel 09 Mar 11 - 07:36 PM
Bobert 09 Mar 11 - 10:31 PM
Bobert 09 Mar 11 - 10:35 PM
Bobert 10 Mar 11 - 08:37 AM
Greg F. 10 Mar 11 - 09:29 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Mar 11 - 12:56 PM
Greg F. 10 Mar 11 - 01:18 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Mar 11 - 02:06 AM
Don Firth 11 Mar 11 - 03:15 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Mar 11 - 06:20 PM
Bobert 11 Mar 11 - 06:26 PM
Don Firth 11 Mar 11 - 07:38 PM
Donuel 11 Mar 11 - 07:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Mar 11 - 01:34 AM
Don Firth 12 Mar 11 - 02:23 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Mar 11 - 03:02 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Mar 11 - 03:28 AM
The Fooles Troupe 17 Mar 11 - 05:25 AM
The Fooles Troupe 17 Mar 11 - 05:29 AM
Sawzaw 13 May 11 - 06:11 PM
Greg F. 13 May 11 - 06:42 PM
Bobert 13 May 11 - 07:55 PM
Sawzaw 18 May 11 - 02:21 PM
Bobert 18 May 11 - 07:36 PM
Sawzaw 27 May 11 - 09:19 AM
Bobert 27 May 11 - 09:27 AM
Stringsinger 27 May 11 - 04:25 PM
Bobert 27 May 11 - 04:57 PM
GUEST,999 27 May 11 - 05:23 PM
Greg F. 28 May 11 - 08:08 AM
Sawzaw 28 May 11 - 01:22 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 28 May 11 - 07:55 PM
Bobert 28 May 11 - 08:22 PM
Greg F. 29 May 11 - 09:46 AM
Stringsinger 29 May 11 - 07:06 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 May 11 - 03:33 AM
akenaton 30 May 11 - 05:22 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 May 11 - 11:57 AM
Stringsinger 30 May 11 - 03:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 May 11 - 08:01 PM
Bobert 31 May 11 - 08:39 PM
Donuel 01 Jun 11 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Jun 11 - 01:40 PM
Don Firth 01 Jun 11 - 02:31 PM
akenaton 01 Jun 11 - 02:34 PM
Don Firth 01 Jun 11 - 02:51 PM
John P 01 Jun 11 - 06:44 PM
Bobert 01 Jun 11 - 07:44 PM
John P 01 Jun 11 - 08:02 PM
Bobert 01 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 02 Jun 11 - 02:00 AM
Bobert 02 Jun 11 - 09:31 AM
John P 02 Jun 11 - 12:09 PM
Bobert 02 Jun 11 - 07:32 PM
Don Firth 02 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM
Bobert 02 Jun 11 - 10:21 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Jun 11 - 01:39 AM
Don Firth 03 Jun 11 - 04:51 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 Jun 11 - 10:36 PM
Don Firth 03 Jun 11 - 11:39 PM
Greg F. 04 Jun 11 - 08:45 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jun 11 - 01:06 AM
Sawzaw 06 Jun 11 - 01:06 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jun 11 - 02:20 AM
Bobert 06 Jun 11 - 03:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jun 11 - 09:31 PM
GUEST,TIA 07 Jun 11 - 12:58 AM
GUEST 07 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 07 Jun 11 - 09:35 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jun 11 - 01:23 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 11 - 05:12 AM
John P 08 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 11 - 03:32 PM
John P 08 Jun 11 - 04:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 11 - 06:32 PM
Bobert 08 Jun 11 - 08:45 PM
Bobert 08 Jun 11 - 09:17 PM
John P 08 Jun 11 - 09:55 PM
Bobert 08 Jun 11 - 10:12 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Jun 11 - 11:19 PM
Don Firth 08 Jun 11 - 11:20 PM
Don Firth 08 Jun 11 - 11:41 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 11 - 12:05 AM
Joe Offer 09 Jun 11 - 12:20 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 11 - 12:35 AM
Don Firth 09 Jun 11 - 12:44 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 11 - 12:56 AM
Don Firth 09 Jun 11 - 01:31 AM
John P 09 Jun 11 - 09:18 AM
Don Firth 09 Jun 11 - 06:48 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jun 11 - 02:14 AM
John P 10 Jun 11 - 12:21 PM
Don Firth 10 Jun 11 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jun 11 - 05:06 PM
Don Firth 10 Jun 11 - 05:14 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jun 11 - 06:38 PM
Joe Offer 10 Jun 11 - 09:07 PM
Greg F. 10 Jun 11 - 09:21 PM
Sawzaw 10 Jun 11 - 09:29 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jun 11 - 10:20 PM
Don Firth 10 Jun 11 - 11:23 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jun 11 - 11:27 PM
Don Firth 11 Jun 11 - 12:59 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Jun 11 - 01:20 AM
Don Firth 11 Jun 11 - 01:37 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Jun 11 - 10:25 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Jun 11 - 02:14 AM
Bobert 12 Jun 11 - 09:30 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 12 Jun 11 - 01:44 PM
Don Firth 12 Jun 11 - 02:46 PM
Sawzaw 12 Jun 11 - 02:48 PM
Don Firth 12 Jun 11 - 03:22 PM
Stringsinger 12 Jun 11 - 03:41 PM
Bobert 12 Jun 11 - 08:41 PM
Sawzaw 13 Jun 11 - 01:26 AM
Bobert 13 Jun 11 - 08:54 AM
GUEST 14 Jun 11 - 02:52 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Jun 11 - 02:54 AM
Bobert 14 Jun 11 - 09:10 AM
Sawzaw 14 Jun 11 - 09:36 AM
Sawzaw 14 Jun 11 - 09:47 AM
Bobert 14 Jun 11 - 10:02 AM
Sawzaw 14 Jun 11 - 11:57 AM
Don Firth 14 Jun 11 - 01:13 PM
Don Firth 14 Jun 11 - 02:26 PM
Bobert 14 Jun 11 - 07:05 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Jun 11 - 07:41 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Jun 11 - 07:48 PM
Bobert 14 Jun 11 - 08:01 PM
Don Firth 14 Jun 11 - 09:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Jun 11 - 11:37 PM
Don Firth 15 Jun 11 - 12:31 AM
Sawzaw 15 Jun 11 - 12:35 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jun 11 - 01:26 AM
Don Firth 15 Jun 11 - 01:43 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jun 11 - 02:43 AM
Bobert 15 Jun 11 - 10:08 AM
Don Firth 15 Jun 11 - 12:47 PM
Sawzaw 15 Jun 11 - 02:30 PM
Bobert 15 Jun 11 - 08:03 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Jun 11 - 11:41 PM
Bobert 16 Jun 11 - 02:47 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jun 11 - 08:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jun 11 - 09:13 PM
Bobert 16 Jun 11 - 09:37 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jun 11 - 10:21 PM
Bobert 16 Jun 11 - 10:51 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 11 - 12:59 AM
Bobert 17 Jun 11 - 08:30 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 11 - 09:01 AM
Bobert 17 Jun 11 - 09:25 AM
Sawzaw 17 Jun 11 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 11 - 12:33 PM
Sawzaw 17 Jun 11 - 01:41 PM
Sawzaw 17 Jun 11 - 02:32 PM
John P 17 Jun 11 - 02:51 PM
pdq 17 Jun 11 - 03:22 PM
John P 17 Jun 11 - 04:42 PM
pdq 17 Jun 11 - 04:47 PM
Bobert 17 Jun 11 - 05:00 PM
Greg F. 17 Jun 11 - 05:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jun 11 - 07:00 PM
John P 17 Jun 11 - 07:50 PM
Bobert 17 Jun 11 - 07:53 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jun 11 - 02:06 AM
Sawzaw 18 Jun 11 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jun 11 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jun 11 - 03:24 PM
pdq 18 Jun 11 - 04:19 PM
Don Firth 18 Jun 11 - 04:53 PM
Bobert 18 Jun 11 - 08:20 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jun 11 - 08:21 PM
Don Firth 18 Jun 11 - 10:30 PM
Don Firth 18 Jun 11 - 10:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 12:29 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 12:43 AM
Don Firth 19 Jun 11 - 12:56 AM
Don Firth 19 Jun 11 - 01:07 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 08:25 AM
Bobert 19 Jun 11 - 09:47 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 11:22 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 12:03 PM
Sawzaw 19 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM
Bobert 19 Jun 11 - 12:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 02:19 PM
Don Firth 19 Jun 11 - 02:37 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jun 11 - 03:54 PM
Bobert 19 Jun 11 - 04:18 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jun 11 - 09:17 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jun 11 - 09:52 AM
Sawzaw 20 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jun 11 - 01:40 PM
Don Firth 20 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM
Bobert 20 Jun 11 - 02:52 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jun 11 - 03:29 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jun 11 - 03:37 PM
pdq 20 Jun 11 - 03:59 PM
Don Firth 20 Jun 11 - 04:21 PM
John P 20 Jun 11 - 06:02 PM
Don Firth 20 Jun 11 - 07:01 PM
Bobert 20 Jun 11 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jun 11 - 11:42 PM
Bobert 21 Jun 11 - 08:44 AM
pdq 21 Jun 11 - 09:58 AM
Greg F. 21 Jun 11 - 10:20 AM
John P 21 Jun 11 - 10:28 AM
Bobert 21 Jun 11 - 07:13 PM
John P 22 Jun 11 - 01:07 PM
Sawzaw 25 Jun 11 - 01:08 AM
Don Firth 25 Jun 11 - 01:40 AM
Greg F. 25 Jun 11 - 08:52 AM
Sawzaw 25 Jun 11 - 11:23 AM
Sawzaw 25 Jun 11 - 11:35 AM
Greg F. 25 Jun 11 - 12:53 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Jun 11 - 06:09 PM
Don Firth 26 Jun 11 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Jun 11 - 07:19 PM
pdq 26 Jun 11 - 08:16 PM
Bobert 26 Jun 11 - 08:22 PM
Bobert 26 Jun 11 - 10:45 PM
Bobert 26 Jun 11 - 11:50 PM
Don Firth 27 Jun 11 - 01:30 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 11 - 01:32 AM
Bobert 27 Jun 11 - 08:25 AM
Stringsinger 27 Jun 11 - 12:36 PM
Bobert 27 Jun 11 - 01:19 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 11 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 11 - 02:55 PM
Don Firth 27 Jun 11 - 05:21 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 11 - 06:04 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 11 - 06:40 PM
pdq 27 Jun 11 - 06:43 PM
John P 27 Jun 11 - 06:56 PM
frogprince 27 Jun 11 - 06:58 PM
Bobert 27 Jun 11 - 08:52 PM
Bobert 27 Jun 11 - 08:53 PM
Don Firth 27 Jun 11 - 09:08 PM
Bobert 27 Jun 11 - 09:30 PM
Don Firth 27 Jun 11 - 09:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jun 11 - 11:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Jun 11 - 01:12 PM
Bobert 28 Jun 11 - 02:43 PM
Don Firth 28 Jun 11 - 07:38 PM
Bobert 28 Jun 11 - 10:30 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 11 - 02:38 AM
Greg F. 29 Jun 11 - 09:08 AM
Sawzaw 29 Jun 11 - 02:35 PM
Bobert 29 Jun 11 - 03:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 11 - 05:11 PM
Greg F. 29 Jun 11 - 05:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 11 - 05:36 PM
Bobert 29 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jun 11 - 07:07 PM
John P 29 Jun 11 - 07:26 PM
Bobert 29 Jun 11 - 07:40 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jun 11 - 08:02 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jun 11 - 08:18 PM
Bobert 29 Jun 11 - 08:42 PM
Don Firth 29 Jun 11 - 09:48 PM
Bobert 29 Jun 11 - 10:15 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 11 - 10:45 PM
Don Firth 29 Jun 11 - 10:52 PM
Sawzaw 29 Jun 11 - 11:09 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Jun 11 - 11:10 PM
Sawzaw 30 Jun 11 - 12:30 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 11 - 03:11 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 11 - 03:21 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 11 - 04:42 AM
Bobert 30 Jun 11 - 08:07 AM
Sawzaw 30 Jun 11 - 12:30 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 11 - 01:58 PM
Don Firth 30 Jun 11 - 06:04 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Jun 11 - 07:51 PM
Bobert 30 Jun 11 - 08:50 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 Jul 11 - 12:04 AM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 03:53 AM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 04:33 AM
Bobert 01 Jul 11 - 10:42 AM
Don Firth 01 Jul 11 - 05:04 PM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 05:14 PM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 05:27 PM
Bobert 01 Jul 11 - 05:41 PM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 07:13 PM
Don Firth 01 Jul 11 - 07:56 PM
Don Firth 01 Jul 11 - 08:06 PM
Bobert 01 Jul 11 - 08:20 PM
Don Firth 01 Jul 11 - 08:41 PM
Bobert 01 Jul 11 - 09:00 PM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 09:27 PM
Sawzaw 01 Jul 11 - 10:16 PM
Bobert 01 Jul 11 - 10:47 PM
Don Firth 02 Jul 11 - 02:31 PM
Sawzaw 02 Jul 11 - 04:22 PM
Stringsinger 02 Jul 11 - 07:29 PM
Bobert 02 Jul 11 - 07:44 PM
Sawzaw 03 Jul 11 - 06:29 PM
katlaughing 03 Jul 11 - 09:35 PM
Don Firth 03 Jul 11 - 10:05 PM
Bobert 03 Jul 11 - 10:55 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Jul 11 - 07:03 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Jul 11 - 07:24 AM
Bobert 04 Jul 11 - 08:34 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 Jul 11 - 07:44 PM
Don Firth 04 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Jul 11 - 03:21 AM
Don Firth 05 Jul 11 - 03:27 PM
pdq 05 Jul 11 - 04:08 PM
Bobert 05 Jul 11 - 05:38 PM
Greg F. 05 Jul 11 - 06:09 PM
Bobert 05 Jul 11 - 07:43 PM
Sawzaw 05 Jul 11 - 09:14 PM
Don Firth 05 Jul 11 - 10:43 PM
Bobert 05 Jul 11 - 11:15 PM
Sawzaw 05 Jul 11 - 11:55 PM
Don Firth 06 Jul 11 - 01:11 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 Jul 11 - 01:28 AM
Sawzaw 06 Jul 11 - 02:47 AM
Bobert 06 Jul 11 - 09:44 AM
Sawzaw 06 Jul 11 - 11:32 AM
Bobert 06 Jul 11 - 06:08 PM
GUEST,999 06 Jul 11 - 06:10 PM
Bobert 06 Jul 11 - 07:59 PM
Don Firth 07 Jul 11 - 06:41 PM
Bobert 07 Jul 11 - 06:59 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jul 11 - 01:30 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 06:20 PM
Jack the Sailor 08 Jul 11 - 06:49 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jul 11 - 07:29 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 07:50 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jul 11 - 08:02 PM
Don Firth 08 Jul 11 - 08:09 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 09:26 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 09:42 PM
Donuel 08 Jul 11 - 10:06 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 10:13 PM
Sawzaw 08 Jul 11 - 10:15 PM
Bobert 08 Jul 11 - 10:41 PM
Sawzaw 09 Jul 11 - 12:29 AM
Sawzaw 09 Jul 11 - 12:38 AM
Bobert 09 Jul 11 - 08:59 AM
John P 09 Jul 11 - 12:20 PM
Donuel 12 Jul 11 - 12:24 PM
Donuel 12 Jul 11 - 12:34 PM
Sawzaw 13 Jul 11 - 07:58 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Jul 11 - 03:47 AM
GUEST 14 Jul 11 - 03:36 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Jul 11 - 08:49 PM
John P 15 Jul 11 - 03:18 PM
GUEST 15 Jul 11 - 08:49 PM
pdq 15 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM
GUEST 15 Jul 11 - 09:52 PM
Bobert 15 Jul 11 - 09:53 PM
pdq 15 Jul 11 - 10:17 PM
Bobert 15 Jul 11 - 10:21 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Jul 11 - 05:30 PM
Don Firth 16 Jul 11 - 07:08 PM
Bobert 16 Jul 11 - 08:59 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jul 11 - 06:40 PM
Bobert 17 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Jul 11 - 08:52 PM
Don Firth 17 Jul 11 - 10:18 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jul 11 - 07:27 AM
GUEST,999 18 Jul 11 - 08:50 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jul 11 - 12:09 PM
Greg F. 18 Jul 11 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Jul 11 - 02:30 PM
Don Firth 18 Jul 11 - 07:09 PM
Bobert 18 Jul 11 - 08:57 PM
GUEST,999 18 Jul 11 - 09:22 PM
Donuel 18 Jul 11 - 10:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jul 11 - 08:34 AM
Bobert 19 Jul 11 - 09:01 AM
GUEST,Stringsinger 19 Jul 11 - 10:57 AM
Bobert 19 Jul 11 - 11:18 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Jul 11 - 11:29 AM
Bobert 19 Jul 11 - 12:51 PM
Don Firth 19 Jul 11 - 01:53 PM
Sawzaw 19 Jul 11 - 02:10 PM
Don Firth 19 Jul 11 - 03:30 PM
Greg F. 19 Jul 11 - 05:00 PM
Bobert 19 Jul 11 - 07:23 PM
Jack the Sailor 19 Jul 11 - 07:48 PM
Don Firth 20 Jul 11 - 12:40 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 11 - 02:42 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 11 - 03:42 AM
Donuel 20 Jul 11 - 09:00 AM
Bobert 20 Jul 11 - 11:03 AM
Donuel 20 Jul 11 - 11:14 AM
Don Firth 20 Jul 11 - 01:37 PM
Don Firth 20 Jul 11 - 02:50 PM
GUEST,999 20 Jul 11 - 03:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 11 - 04:44 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 11 - 04:52 PM
Bobert 20 Jul 11 - 05:10 PM
Little Hawk 20 Jul 11 - 05:47 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 11 - 06:17 PM
GUEST,Jon 20 Jul 11 - 06:18 PM
Little Hawk 20 Jul 11 - 06:25 PM
Little Hawk 20 Jul 11 - 06:34 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Jul 11 - 06:50 PM
Jack the Sailor 20 Jul 11 - 07:01 PM
Bobert 20 Jul 11 - 07:21 PM
GUEST,999 20 Jul 11 - 07:38 PM
GUEST,999 20 Jul 11 - 07:39 PM
Little Hawk 20 Jul 11 - 08:30 PM
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Subject: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:08 PM

Well, well, well...

It had to happen... In giving voice to people who are pissed off seems that one anti-tax nut has now committed a suicide terrorist attack on an IRS building...

Me thinks that the Taiban are alive and well in the USA...

(But, Boberdz... It's all Obama's fault fir, you know, being a socialist...)

Oh really??? He's a socialist??? Ya' don't say...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:11 PM

You have any indication it was a teaparty member, or are you just being a bigot again?


The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: olddude
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:19 PM

Naw they are there for the beer, can't blame em ... pizza is pretty good also I heard


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:19 PM

Bigot, bruce???

Me thinks that you are projecting here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:27 PM

I wish they were there for the beer, oldster... But they aren't... They are an anti-government, anti-Obama oganization and getting lots of what-would-be-expensive free PR to promote thier brand of hatred... In getting all this PR borderline pshycos who are also pissed off at the governemnt (or think think they are) feel emboldened to do some very seriously violent stuff... First ya have a guy bring a gun to an event where the presdient was about to speak and now you have a guy who is pissed off about his taxes thinkin' it's perfectly okay to attempt to do what the Oklahome City bombers did...

This is becoming a very serious situation...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:30 PM

...one anti-tax nut has not committed a suicide terrorist attack...

Shouldn't that "not" be "now"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Yes, McG.... Lexdexia strikes again...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:56 PM

Is Mullah Omar alive and well and posting here on the Mudcat Board?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 07:06 PM

"Stack played bass, the accordion and sang for the band..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 07:22 PM

Well there ya go. Accordion? Sure sign of terrorist mentality...

JUS' KIDDING, CAROL!!!! Don't send me to the outhouse...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:13 PM

The NYTimes has an extensive article on the whole "rebellion on the right" which the tea party has stirred up. You may read it HERE.

A few choice quotes:

Mrs. Stout said she felt as if she had been handed a road map to rebellion. Members of her family, she said, think she has disappeared down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. But Mrs. Stout said she has never felt so engaged.

And in Indiana, Richard Behney, a Republican Senate candidate, told Tea Party supporters what he would do if the 2010 elections did not produce results to his liking: "I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too."

Branding Mr. Obama a tyrant, Mr. Stewart said, constructs a logic that could be used to rationalize violence. "When people start wearing guns to rallies, what's the next thing that happens?" Mr. Stewart asked.

Not long ago, Mrs. Stout sent an e-mail message to her members under the subject line: "Revolution." It linked to an article by Greg Evensen, a leader in the militia movement, titled "The Anatomy of an American Revolution," that listed "grievances" he said "would justify a declaration of war against any criminal enterprise including that which is killing our nation from Washington, D.C."

Mrs. Stout said she has begun to contemplate the possibility of "another civil war." It is her deepest fear, she said. Yet she believes the stakes are that high. Basic freedoms are threatened, she said. Economic collapse, food shortages and civil unrest all seem imminent.


It is a sprawling rebellion, but running through it is a narrative of impending tyranny. This narrative permeates Tea Party Web sites, Facebook pages, Twitter feeds and YouTube videos. It is a prominent theme of their favored media outlets and commentators, and it connects the disparate issues that preoccupy many Tea Party supporters — from the concern that the community organization Acorn is stealing elections to the belief that Mr. Obama is trying to control the Internet and restrict gun ownership.

WorldNetDaily.com trumpets "exclusives" reporting that the Army is seeking "Internment/Resettlement" specialists. On ResistNet.com, bloggers warn that Mr. Obama is trying to convert Interpol, the international police organization, into his personal police force. They call on "fellow Patriots" to "grab their guns."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:28 PM

Noun terrorist - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon

usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells

often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

They don't scare me so it is my opinion that they are not a terrorist organization.

Just a group of people that are unsatisfied with their government and are using their human rights and civil rights as granted under the constitution of the US.

Everybody in the US has the same rights and I think that anyone that wants to deny them that right is a bigot.

Bigot: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race.


Now what do you call someone who attempts to use scare tactics to create a controversy and influence people's opinion?

Fear mongering (or scaremongering) is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic to frighten citizens and influence their political views. It often states that if something is or is not done, a disastrous event will occur.

You might believe that the Teabaggers are using scare tactics themselves but to use scare tactics yourself means you are no different from them. The same as if you accuse Teabaggers of being a hate group and display hatred toward them.

Bobert asked and I have stated my opinion. Anybody that disagrees with me is invited to state their opinions but personal attacks and name calling just illustrates intolerance and an unwillingness to allow others to have differing opinions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:38 PM

"You might believe that the Teabaggers are using scare tactics themselves but to use scare tactics yourself means you are no different from them."

That then relegates people's motives to the trash bin.

If I defend myself when attacked, that makes me as bad as the attacker? Huh? I'm missing something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:44 PM

Yeah, I find it interesting that I was automatically branded a "bigot" by one of the Mud-righties for saying exactly what alot of other folks are saying and will be saying in the coming days...

It's sad that the first thing outta of the right's mouth is condemnation of people who see what si happening here in this country, where the violent right is given media time as if it's okay to strap a gun on and camp outside where a black president is about to speak... Yet, the knee-jerk reaction from the Mud0right came almost instantly... That is why this is becomin' a very scarey country... The right thinks it's pefrectly okay to "react" to any information that makes them look bad by demonizing the messenger...
And no one is calling them on it... The media gives the right much more media time than it does the left and with that the right thinks it's okay to crash planes into government buildings... Perfectly okay!!! This is a cnacer on our society... The last thing that this guy said in the article was that "violence is the only way"... Sound familiar??? It's Osama bin Laden... It's the Taliban... These are also right winged people and organizations... They aren't progressives or the Black Panthers or Che Gevara....These are the corporate puppets....

I mean, what if I were to take a Cherokee and fly it into a Tea Party gathering??? I mean, I would be branded some revolutionary, right??? People wouldn't be sayin, "Ol' Bobert was some kinda gun-nut rightie" which by today's standards is honorable and righteous and qualify me for 36 virgins and martyrdom...

No, I would be branded a "leftest revolutionary", "a commie", or worse yet "a wacko liberal"... No virgins... No $200 or get-outta-jail-free card....Just a bad, bad person...

There are way too many folks out there who think Timothy McVey is a hero for killin' all those mean commie government workers (and their kids) but cheered when Police Chief Rizzo busted the Black Panters who were doing breakfast and health programs in Philly and marched those people down the street naked after busting them...

Hey, I don't believe that "violence is the only way" but if the righties keep their pushin' there will come a time when the left will do take a page out of the righties playbook (think Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King here) and shoot back...

It's up to the right to get a fuckin' grip before it's too late... The ball is firmly in their court...

Think 1860 here, if you like... Push comin' to shove... The last time it didn't turn out to well for them and might not next time either...

Hey, I ain't threatenin' no one here... Just time for the right to stand back and reaccess the damage they are doing to the country...

Square business... No jokin' here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:00 PM

Sme examples that fit your definitions, there, Sawz: spreading the word that God wants you to invade another country, because Gog and Magog are running loose out there. Getting huge numbers of folks to believe said country has NBC weapons and the means to deliver them, and threatening them with nuclear catastrophes.

Or telling folks that a scarey terrible condition is going to land on them--say "Kawmunizm" or something similar--if they figure out how to take care of each other somehow.

I'm just saying...small groups, religious excuses, scarey stories, use of extreme violence...kinda adds up.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:23 PM

The entire right wing story line is based on mythology, Amos... Everything they are trying to cram into their Tea Partier little heads are lies, lies and more lies... Everything!!! That is what is so maddening.... These poor ignorant people will believe a 100 lies told to them by a rightie before they will believe one thruth told to them be a sane moderate person...

This is outta control... What the righties are trying to do is inflict mob rule on everyone, with them as the bosses...

All, I gotta say is remember "Animal Farm"... A pig is a pig is a pig... Period...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: DougR
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:30 PM

I don't believer there is any evidence that the fellow who flew his airplane into a building is a member of any tea party, Bobert. It seems from what I've heard, he simply was a bit teed off at the IRS.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:49 PM

I'm going to go with what DougR said. After having read far more than I wanted of this guy's suicide note, he just doesn't fit the profile, or talk the talk, of a Tea Pottier. For one thing he rips congress for not doing anything about health care. That's not exactly something a Tea Potty person would say.

I think he's just a crank who flipped.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 10:21 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why someone so rich he could buy his own plane felt destroyed by the IRS to the point that he committed murder by way of revenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 11:17 PM

"I find it interesting that I was automatically branded a "bigot" by one of the Mud-righties for saying exactly what alot of other folks are saying and will be saying in the coming days"

You are calling yourself a bigot. You are predicting and projecting.

You claim without any evidence it is a "terrorist attack" and then you use that to try to link it to the "Taiban" and then you call Obama a socialist. Furthermore you label everybody the disagrees with you a "Mud-rightie"

So far from what I gather he was pissed off over taxes and he did commit suicide by crashing his plane into an IRS building. The rest of your rant is speculation to try to pin the blame of one, perhaps emotionally distraught person to a group of people you disagree with.

If several other people do the same, and it seems like you are trying to sow the seed here, it does not mean it is true. You are already gloating over it.

If you disagree with the tea bagers why can't you simply say so and state why? It is really not so complicated. It does not require psychological manipulation, personal attacks and cheap shots.

I am not defending the tea bagers, only their right to disagree with the government and demonstrate their differences. I also defend your right to disagree with them. Seems like you want to take their rights away by hanging labels on them.


"spreading the word that God wants you to invade another country, because Gog and Magog are running loose out there. Getting huge numbers of folks to believe said country has NBC weapons and the means to deliver them, and threatening them with nuclear catastrophes."

If that gibberish implies somehow that scare tactics are wrong I agree. If it implies scare tactics are OK then I disagree.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:43 AM

How does hanging labels on them take their rights away? That's nuts.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 04:06 AM

I wouldn't send you to the outhouse, Amos, because you would probably enjoy it.


I feel bad for his wife and daughter. Sounds to me like this guy had a mental breakdown. His wife and daughter stayed in a hotel the night before because they said he'd completely lost it that evening.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 07:23 AM

Bobert,

"You have any indication it was a teaparty member, or are you just being a bigot again?"


The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists! "


If you can't answer the question in the affirmative ( that you have said indication) YOU are a bigot.

Feel free to answer the question . Do not feel free to attack me for asking it: This is the second thread you have started that makes invalid associations in this bigotted manner.






"The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists! "

This is in reference to the woman who shot and killed several people after being denied tenure. I have posted the article stating that she was an Obama supporter- which is far more than support than you have bothered in your thread posting.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:10 AM

Yeah, seems that this guy could have but only so much beef with the system.... That ain't no cheap airplane.... Cherokees are expensive...

The point, however, isn't whether this guy was or was not a Tea Party member... The point is that we have carved out a seperate set of rules for angry right wingers... The signs that they carry are way beyond what the left carried during the anti-war demonstrations of 2002-03 in that they are not only racist but suggest violence... And these folks have been allowed to carry weapons to a rally where the presdient was to speak... There's a dual standard here that creates this culture that the ends justify the means... It's this kind of culture that tells a murderer that's it perfectly okay to assasinate doctors...

The left never came close to having these standards... During the anti-war marches there were tens of thousnads of riot police with clubs abd sheilds and guns lining the entire route of the march... You don't see that at Tea Party rallies...

So, yeah... The system has put in place a scenerio where people feek empowered to think that violence is perfectly okay...

(Gee, Boberdz... Ain't that alot like al qeada???)

Well, yeah, it is...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:17 AM

So, since the Democrats have a party platform of pro-abortion, and SOME people are thus encouraged to have ( abortions), there will be no complaint if I start a thread about "The Baby-killing Democratic Party"?

I doubt if that would be allowed here- and isn't THAT a double standard?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:32 AM

His wife and daughter stayed in a hotel the night before because they said he'd completely lost it that evening.

Woulda been nice thay'd called the cops & had him admitted to a psych ward for obbo as a danger to himself & others...........


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:21 AM

I'm just glad they weren't in the house when he torched it.

How does being an Obama supporter matter if one commits murder? (That's rhetorical. The idea is ridiculous.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:32 AM

kat,

I was comm4enting on Bobert making these threads implying that tea party members are terrorist or racist.

How does being a Teaparty member matter if one commits murder, one might as well ask.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:40 AM

Sawz:

Help with homework: the post you were uncertain of simply says that there are a good number of actions taken by Bush, Wolfowitz, Rove, Rumstead, and their cronies that fit your definition of terrorist acts, and which left a lot of Americans embedded in unreasoning fear.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:04 AM

Actually, La Raza is the real terrorist organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:08 AM

Are guitar players a terrorist group?

The pilot, Joseph Andrew Stack, who played guitar and loved country music, left a detailed suicide note, more than 3,000 words long, on a web site registered to him. In it, he describes financial stresses and a tax feud with the IRS which wiped out his retirement savings.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:13 AM

LOL!! Sawz, I hope to hell you were laughing when you posted that!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:43 AM

Are moonshiners and dope smokers a terrorist organization?

Teachey, NC - A Duplin County day care center is shut down after authorities say they found the owners selling beer & liquor without an ABC permit. Also found in the raid was a sawed-off shotgun and two gallons of moonshine.

The raid happened Saturday night at Wilson Family Day Care in Teachey.

Alcohol Law Enforcement agents and sheriff deputies say they discovered liquor, beer, moonshine, and numerous weapons at the home.

"It definitely shouldn't be around a day care facility and the majority through my course of experience in law enforcement, most of the people that frequent what we refer as joints, which are illegal alcohol establishments, possess and use narcotics and firearms," says ALE agent Kenny Simma.

Johnnie Wilson is charged with possession/sell of non tax paid alcoholic beverages, possession/sell of alcoholic beverages with no permit, possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia, and felony possession of a weapon of mass destruction (sawed-off shotgun).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:36 PM

"Joseph Andrew Stack mocks the American health care system as a profit-driven joke; attacks George W. Bush 'and his cronies'; called the Catholic church names; demonstrates his complete hatred for a Reagan tax cut; decries the loss of union-negotiated pensions; and ends the whole screed with a mocking of capitalism:

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


The first 'creed' is an actual quote from Karl Marx, unparodied by Stack. The second is obviously a mocking of the capitalistic system. He decided to close his letter attacking the private sector with a quote mocking the free market.

Yeah, that sounds like your typical Tea Party attendant. You know how they love quoting Marx, decrying corporate profits, calling for profits to be removed from the health care industry, and attacking President Bush. Why, you can't hurl a cat without hitting a protester with a sign approvingly quoting the father of Communism.

Did he attack the IRS? Sure. But is anyone under the terribly mistaken impression that only right-wingers despise the Internal Revenue Service? One of Stack's biggest criticisms is that the rich aren't taxed enough and that religious groups are exempted. He went after Reagan tax cuts. Does that sound like criticism of the agency from a right-wing perspective? Hardly." ~ Stephan Tawney on Thu, Feb 18, 2010


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:48 PM

Personally, I think the question of whether or not the tea party is a terrorist organization deserves discussion on its own, separate from any discussion about this guy who flew his airplane into a building. And I think this Stack guy and what he did deserves discussion separate from any discussion about the tea party. It's unfortunate that the two issues have been conflated here in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:56 PM

Perhaps you could ask Bobert why these two separate issues were 'conflated'?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:00 PM

Looks to me like he jumped to a conclusion. It may be an honest mistake, though, given the rhetoric of a lot of tea party members.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:04 PM

Bruce,

How does being a Teaparty member matter if one commits murder, one might as well ask.

From my earlier posting:

And in Indiana, Richard Behney, a Republican Senate candidate, told Tea Party supporters what he would do if the 2010 elections did not produce results to his liking: "I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too."

Branding Mr. Obama a tyrant, Mr. Stewart said, constructs a logic that could be used to rationalize violence. "When people start wearing guns to rallies, what's the next thing that happens?" Mr. Stewart asked.


Obama supporters do not call for violence, ergo...nothing to do with being a murderer.

Tea Party...load your guns and get ready to go to war within your own country. There are plenty more quotes in the NYTs article.


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From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:36 PM

...another darling of the Obama set is arrested for attempted murder and arson:

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson
Posted: Feb. 18, 2010
Updated: Feb. 18 6:31 p.m.

Durham, N.C. — Durham police late Wednesday arrested the woman who four years ago falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of raping her.

Crystal Mangum assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him, investigators said.

She was in the Durham County jail under a $1 million bond Mangum, 33, has been appointed a public defender and is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.

Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer.

Shortly after 11:30 p.m., police received a 911 call about a domestic dispute at 2220 Lincoln St. Authorities said they believe the call came from one of the three children inside the house.

When officers arrived, they found Mangum and her boyfriend, Milton Walker, 33, fighting. According to police documents, Mangum scratched, punched and threw objects at Walker and told him, "I'm going to stab you, (expletive)!"

She then went into a bathroom and set his clothes on fire in the bathtub, police said. Officers called the fire department to put out the flames. No one was injured.

Milton was not charged, police said. The three children inside the house, ages 3, 9 and 10, were not injured.

Officers said Mangum gave them a fake name, "Marella Mangum," and age, prompting the identity theft charge. She also resisted the officers who responded to the scene, according to police documents. She has been ordered to have no contact with Walker.

Mangum – who penned her memoir, "Last Dance for Grace," in 2008 – was a student at North Carolina Central University in 2006 and also worked as an exotic dancer when she performed at the now-infamous Duke lacrosse party.

It was there, she claimed, that three white members of the team trapped her inside a bathroom and raped and sexually assaulted her.

The three players were indicted on rape and other charges on the basis of her allegations and were eventually exonerated after North Carolina's attorney general dismissed the charges.

The case ultimately cost former Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong his job and he was later disbarred. He also spent a night in jail for lying to a Superior Court judge.

Several players in the Duke lacrosse case, including Duke Unviersity and the North Carolina Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the case.

Nifong could not be reached for comment.

"My heart goes out to her," Joseph Cheshire, who represented one of the accused lacrosse players. "Mostly, I worry about her children."

Authorities say the children are in the care of other family members.

"We hope that the courts will adjudicate this case with fairness and without bias," Vincent Clark, Mangum's publisher, said in a statement. "Nevertheless, we support Crystal in her effort to heal from abuse and past injustices,"

   Reporters: Stacy Davis, Erin Hartness
   Photographer: Jamie Munden
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,infowars.com
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:42 PM

Do you people know how out of touch you are? Obama's bombing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen, and meanwhile you bloviate on some small-plane crash in Texas being part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Amazing. Listen to the rebroadcast of the Alex Jones show today at infowars.com. Jim Trafficant is talking about the real world.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:47 PM

...and yet another Socialist and rabid Obama supporter:

Amy Bishop: Obama Supporter, Media Nearly Silent
By Tara Lynn Thompson

You won't find the information in a headline because she isn't a conservative. Amy Bishop, the University of Alabama shooter, is a major Obama lover. I'd call her a "supporter" but that validates what is basically an infatuation between The One and his mindless supporters, as well as The One and himself.

The news was reported by the Boston Herald in the third to last paragraph in the story.

A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children – the youngest a third-grade boy – was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.

What I find more fascinating than her politics is the way the media has been completely silent, minus the one paragraph mention at the end of the article, about Bishop and her "off-putting" Obama love.

Should her views matter? Probably not. Once you have killed innocent people, I don't care about your reasoning or your musings or your political beliefs. I know all I need to know about you – that, when given the choice, you choose evil. You hate. And that transcends all rational thought.

However, setting that aside, it's hard to deny the media's love of blaming conservatives, talk radio, and Christians for any act of violence, discrimination, or hatred within the English speaking world. And if at some point they can prove Bishop ever willingly watched Fox News, they'll be boycotting Beck again.

This road, however, isn't a two-way street. Reporting truth is only the bias media's priority when it fits their narrative. And forget reporting. Bending truth is so much easier. Okay, forget bending. Let's call it "rewriting".

For example, James von Brunn, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum shooter, an old guy with an ugly mug.

The liberal media attached him to conservatives and Christians all on the basis that the man was a white supremacist. (Which, by saying that, means they're also saying only whites can be Christian. Anyone pick up on that?) Not taking into account the fact Christians and conservatives absolutely deplore white supremacists. The very core of conservative values is equality for all, whether black or white or male or female or gay or straight or free thinker or drone.

The only way to obtain that equality is by individualism and not pandering to minorities or special interest groups. What the liberals call "fair" treatment, is really treating one person better than another based on their race or gender or political views. Please explain how that isn't the definition of "racism" and "bigotry".

Conservatives believe in giving each American the same opportunities to fail or succeed based on their individual work ethic, passion, ability, integrity and applauding that success.

Also, on the white supremacist narrative, let's not forget the liberals have reelected Democrat Robert Byrd to office, despite his previous membership in the Ku Klux Klan, since 1959.

During the von Brunn incident, the liberal media didn't want to report the fact the man was a hater, period. He hated everyone, including Christians, both Bush presidents, big corporations, and had even apparently planned a second shooting at the conservative Weekly Standard offices. He was also a socialist, loved Adolph Hitler, and was anti-Semitic.

Another favorite liberal tool is Scott Roeder, the man who shot and killed late-term abortionist Dr. George Tiller last May. He is also touted as a pro-lifer gone mad. Except the man had no connections to the pro-life movement. He wasn't pro-life, obvious by the fact he killed a man.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:08 PM

Bobez and Sawz are both off track here, trying to make generalizations out of specifics where they do not apply.

Here's the truth: SOME Obama supporters are nuts. SOME Tea-Baggers are nuts. SOME liberals are nuts and SOME conservatives are nuts. Of all these nuts, SOME are slightly nuts, some a bit more, some more nuts than that, and SOME are seriously nuts.

And of all the nuts in all these categories, SOME of those nuts are a public danger. And, possibly, SOME of those are "terrorist" oriented in the sense of using violence for political purposes.

You guys gotta learn discrimination between similarities and the recognition of differences.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:11 PM

There is a difference between people committing murder, who happen to support any given party or political figure (and plenty of examples of such people can be found at all points on the political spectrum), and people who are committing murder in order to make a political statement or to try to create a particular political outcome. It's fair game to include Stack in such a discussion, but people who commit crimes that are unrelated to any political considerations are irrelevant to any such discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:14 PM

Oh could there be more. Phil Spector endorses Obama at his murdertrial hearing:

Phil Spector endorses Obama at his murder trial hearing
July 29, 2008 | 2:49 pm

Gee, thanks, Phil.

They keep coming, these dubious endorsements. But, hey, any publicity in a political campaign -- except crooked friends, indictments, spousal abuse, etc.

Today The Times' eagle-eyed Harriet Ryan spotted Phil Spector, the famous rock entrepreneur and infamous date, showing up for a court hearing in Los Angeles wearing a very obvious "Barack Obama Rocks" pin.

Spector, you may recall, has some continuing legal troubles having to do with an actress, Lana Clarkson, turning up dead in his house after a date five years ago.

Spector says she shot herself. The prosecution suggests otherwise. A jury could not decide.

So a second second-degree murder trial is set to begin on Sept. 29, pending a higher court ruling on the presiding judge. Meanwhile, Spector and every one of those "hairs" on his head is behind Barack.

Last week in Mississippi, as The Ticket noted, 34-year-old Dale Lee Bishop, who was a participant in the 1998 claw-hammer homicide of an acquaintance, endorsed Obama just before he was executed. Bishop was under the impression that Obama opposes the death penalty, which he does much of the time but not always.

And in April actress Jane Fonda, who has now infuriated two generations of military veterans by her manning of an anti-aircraft gun battery against U.S. planes over Hanoi during the Vietnam War, volunteered to a TMZ cameraman that she too was going to vote for Obama.

Of course, Obama also got the backing of notorious good guy Tom Hanks, among other Hollywood types. So that really helps.

-- Andrew Malcolm

Photo credit: Nick Ut / Associated Press


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:22 PM

Notice that I did not pose my question with any hate or rhetoric?

No conflation. No veiled accusations.

Only asking if there could be some sort of connection.

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.

I have nothing against guitar players. I admire guitar players from Atkins to ZZ.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:22 PM

pdq, if we're going to explore all crimes committed by any person who endorses any political figure, we're going to have to devote 24 hours per day 7 days a week to such an endeavor. Just as many people who support Republicans commit crimes as people who support Democrats.

As I said before there's a huge difference between being a supporter of a political figure or party and committing a crime, and committing a crime in order to promote a particular political agenda. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to be able to understand the difference.

So people who bomb abortion clinics belong in such a discussion, and people who fly planes into buildings because they're pissed off with the IRS belong in such a discussion, but someone who kills people at a university because they're angry about not getting tenure, or someone who falsely accuses people of rape, and who also endorse a particular political figure or party do not belong in such a discussion. As I said, I'm sure you are intelligent enough to be able to understand the difference between these two things.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:23 PM

Wow! It looks like we have an epidemic of murderers supporting Obama:

Foxy Knoxy backs Barack Obama... but says she's sorry to miss the elections as she's denied house arrest

By Nick Pisa
Last updated at 9:48 PM on 30th October 2008

Murder suspect Amanda Knox has revealed she is backing Barack Obama in next week's presidential election.

Knox, 21, who styled herself Foxy Knoxy, revealed her political allegiances after being visited by Italian MP Enrico Gasbarra.

She told him: 'I wanted to go home so that I could vote for Obama. I think I hoped too much. I really thought I would be getting out of here.'

Knox has been denied house arrest as she awaits trial over the murder of British student Meredith Kercher...

{shortened by me to prevent nausia among readers}


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM

Oops. I guess I was wrong. Not intelligent enough to see the difference, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:51 PM

As long as the absolutely asinine title of this thread, and its basic assumptions, are allowed to stand, "anything goes" as far as posting since nobody can match such stupidity.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:52 PM

I guess I can't argue with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 03:29 PM

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.


You can assert any dumb-ass idea you want, including condemning the innocent, but if you mean "rationally" then the answer is no.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 04:56 PM

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.

Yes. IF that one person, or those few people, are acting on the stated beliefs and principles of that group.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:41 PM

As long as the absolutely asinine title of this thread, and its basic assumptions, are allowed to stand, "anything goes" as far as posting since nobody can match such stupidity.

You're givin' it a pretty good run, ain'tcha, sweetums? Also the way you weave your words in with your original stories (if any) to make it entirely indisernible (aside from your nasty tone) which is which -- you're not going to convince anybody that way.

Leading to the conclusion: (1) either you know you're not going to convince anybody and you're doing it to be a gadfly, hence you're a jerk, or (2) you think it really will convince somebody, hence you're a moron.

Which is it then?

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:49 PM

Ya'll are missin' the point here...

Ther point is that our governement has two standards... One for righties that says it's pkay to carry a weapon to a ralley where the president is to speak... The other which says it's not okay for liberals to have guns... That lesson was painfully delivered in the 60s and liberals got it... If you have a gun then the governement is gonna get you... That, my friends, is dual standards...

The second point is that there are more and more incidents of folks suggesting on the right suggesting violence... We on the left saw how that iy worked for them in the 60's.... It virtually *killed* the movement...

Lastly, regarless of whether one is a rightie of leftie radical the message that the Tea Partiers are sending is that violence is just peachy as far as they are concerned and without the governement sayin' they are wrong then the message is doubly sent...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:53 PM

The only people who don't want liberals to have guns is other liberals.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 07:14 PM

Like the other liberals who were in charge of security at the convention in Minneapolis? Feh.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:54 PM

I donno about that, Rigs... One thing that the right has going for it is that everyone knows (or assumes) that they pack a lotta heat... The governement knows it... The cops know it and liberals know it...

Now, if all of a sudden liberals started a liberal NRA and armed themselves as well as the righties then I don't think the "redneck superiority complex" (RSC) would hold up too long... I mean, here in Virginia we have a whole lotta punks who couldn't win a fist fight against their little sisters but when they strap on that sidearm they become Rambo... And they talk big and they get this aire about them that whatever they say, regardless of how moronic, is correct...

Guns are like the opiate of the stupid...

That's why I think that if these Rambo-wantabees knew that folks on the other side of the debate were also armed then maybe they would think twice about shootin' off their mouths...

See, folks... Ol' hippie has been watchin' too many Tea Bagger stories on the news and ready to invest in an AK... LOL... But really, that is the point... The meassage has been sent that violence is peachy dandy so the logical thinkin' is that the left better get armed.... And fast!!!

I mean, is that the message, or not??? Sure seems like it to me... So here we are with this Talibanish segment of the population, armed to the teeth, getting away with it while the governemnt turns its head and running their motuhs about stuff that is based on lies and more lies... Sounds like the Taliban to me, Ralph...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:24 PM

"Here's the truth: SOME Obama supporters are nuts. SOME Tea-Baggers are nuts. SOME liberals are nuts and SOME conservatives are nuts. Of all these nuts, SOME are slightly nuts, some a bit more, some more nuts than that, and SOME are seriously nuts.

And of all the nuts in all these categories, SOME of those nuts are a public danger. And, possibly, SOME of those are "terrorist" oriented in the sense of using violence for political purposes.

You guys gotta learn discrimination between similarities and the recognition of differences."

At last a rational statement from Amos. Good on you Amos.

Each person, each statement, each action must be judged on it's face, not by which "group" that person belongs to, EG us or them, Bloods or Crips, Dems or Repubs or skin color.

If somebody flies a plane into a building it is not automatically terrorism and a teababger is not automatically a terrorist.

Remember when that kid that flew a plane into a building in Florida? They said it was his meds.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:42 PM

Science Friday on NPR had some interesting discussions today, esp. the first one which was on Communicating Science in a Post-Newspaper Era. You may listen to it, or read the transcript (scroll way down)HERE

One of them was talking about the types of emails he gets now there is the Internet with so much misinformation, etc.:

Prof. SCHNEIDER: If my hundreds of emails..... are any indication, the typical line - and you would not believe the vulgarity and even violence threats. It's amazing. Only in the last two years since the Tea Party-types decided that their, you know, their imagined version of the destruction of America allows them this kind of radical, you know, ugly behavior.

What they generally say is, you communistic dupe of the United Nations who wants world government to take away our religious and our economic freedoms. They live in a mythology. They get it reinforced by people who take out-of-context quotes to convince them, and then they sit there and it's very - I'm sorry to say this - red-state, blue-state specific.

And, you know, if you want to take the world and oversimplify it, you have people in two kind of value systems - faith, trust. Don't give me evidence if it's going to knock me off the pin. And doubt test, which is our value system. You change any opinion when you have new evidence.


Some of it reminded me of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 07:48 AM

Well, looks as if I'm out front of MSNBC 'cause Rachele Maddow devoted much of her show last night to my point that the right is gettin' way with pushing violence...

So back to the Tea Baggers as a terrorist organization.... If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 02:14 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Ya might want to ask Rachel if she knows anything about what in the US Consitution.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:09 PM

Are demonstrators holding a kill sign a terrorist organization?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM

Sawz:

The Constitution of the United States has no section called a Preamble; and despite the assertions of Minority Leader John Baynor, it says nothing about "We hold these truths to be self-evident.". This assertion, as Rachel correctly points out, comes from the Declaration of Independence, which does not have a Preamble either.

The COnstitution does have an introducto ry sentence but in the original document it was not called a Preamble. And it certainly does not contain the notion attributed to it by the minority Speaker.

Furthermore, Ms. Maddow's command of the CONTENTS--the important part, remember?-- seems far more developed than John Baynor's.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:51 PM

Isn't the "We the People" part generally called the Preamble in everyday parlance?

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:27 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government/the-constitution

Preamble to the Constitution


http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

The Preamble explains the purposes of the Constitution, and defines the powers of the new government as originating from the people of the United States.

Preamble:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

http://www.america.gov/publications/books/the-constitution.html

This illustrated publication includes the complete text of the U.S. Constitution preamble, seven articles, and 27 amendments


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:31 PM

Where in the original document does it say "preamble"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:34 PM

It does not say "Preamble" in the opriginal document. It has been labeled a preamble later but it is not part of the original. In any case the stupidity of the Minority Leader was in reciting a line from the Declaration and asserting it was from the Consittution.

Rachel also misspoke, as neither of them (in the original) have a Preamble named as such. But at least she was referring to the right document.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:39 PM

Does it have to say "Preamble" in the document to be called "Preamble"? That's a pretty silly argument. If somebody says "Like it says in the Preamble to the Constitution...." you haven't won any talking points at all if you point out that the word "Preamble" isn't in the actual document. That's just what it's called.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:27 PM

Please inform Everyone's favorite red-head, the Chile Rojo of the New York Times:

"One singular leader who wrote elegantly about his ideals, was swept into the presidency and then collided with harsh reality had some advice for another.

In an interview with Alison Smale in The Times last week, Vaclav Havel sipped Champagne in the middle of the afternoon and pricked Barack Obama's conscience.

Havel, the 73-year-old former Czech president, who didn't win a Nobel Peace Prize despite leading the Czechs and the Slovaks from communism to democracy, turned the tables and asked Smale a question about Obama, the latest winner of the peace prize.

Was it true that the president had refused to meet the Dalai Lama on his visit to Washington?

He was told that Obama had indeed tried to curry favor with China by declining to see the Dalai Lama until after the president's visit to China next month.

Dissing the Dalai was part of a broader new Obama policy called "strategic reassurance" â€" softening criticism of China's human rights record and financial policies to calm its fears that America is trying to contain it. (Not to mention our own fears that the Chinese will quit bankrolling our debt.)

The tyro American president got the Nobel for the mere anticipation that he would provide bold moral leadership for the world at the very moment he was caving to Chinese dictators. Awkward.

Havel reached out to touch a glass dish given to him by Obama, inscribed with the preamble to the U.S. Constitution. "It is only a minor compromise," he said. "But exactly with these minor compromises start the big and dangerous ones, the real problems."

Our president would be well advised to listen. Havel is looking at this not only as a moral champion but as a playwright. Obama (who, as Robert Draper wrote, has read and reread Shakespeare's tragedies) does not want his fatal flaw to be that he compromises so much that his ideals get blurred out of recognition."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:37 PM

I don't know, mousthief, but does it have to be called a preamble, as opposed to, for instance, a preface or a prologue?

But I agree, there certainly are a lot of people who like to wave around the Constitution who don't even know what's in it. Like John Boehner, for instance. Maddow at least knows what's in it. She appears to just be quibbling with what to call the opening paragraph.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

I don't know what it HAS to be called; "Preamble" is what it IS called.

In like manner you will never find the words "Bill of Rights" in the Constitution. It would be pretty foolish, however, to on that basis argue there is no Bill of Rights in the US Constitution. Could be called the Bunch of Rights. Could be called the String of Rights. But it's called the Bill of Rights, and whenever people talk about it, that's what they call it.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:41 PM

Sawz:

Obama just HAD a meeting with the Dalai Lama. What are you on about? Your tale has no date on it.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 07:52 PM

Silly tangent here... What Racael Maddow does have correct is the pass that the Tea Baggers are getting with their ever increasing violent message...

This is beyond 1st ammendment rights as no one has the right to yell "Fire" in a theater unless there is a fire... What is happening here is that the right is layin the groundwork for another round of assasinations, this time perhaps being the politicans they don't like to go along with the current assasinations of doctors they don't like...

It's time that someone step in and say, "Hey, folks, step back... This is gettin' out of hand here..."

Of course, the righties would love nothin' more than to see Obama in a pool of blood... There are righties that talks about it fanticize about it... The problem here is well beyond what it means to our nation in terms of it being a country based upon law but a much more danger ous situation that I have described before where the left stoops to the lowliness of the right and decides, "Screw it, Ralph, I've had enough and I'm going to Richmond and buy me an AK-47"...

Then what we could be looking at is as close to a "failed state" as anyone her could imagine... No one in 1850 could have predicted what would occur 10 years later but the early warnings were there... The early warning are here again and unless the right wants to destroy our country, which BTW they say is "theirs", then someone on the right needs to call for a cooling off period 'cause these Tea Baggers are not far behind their brothers in Afganistan, the Taliban...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:21 PM

Just a passing observation:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Ahem. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 09:10 PM

Well, yeah, that is the preamble to the Constitution... It is easily Googled... And it outlines the general principles that the rest of the document try to codify... Alot of folks don't really pay much attention to it because it doesn't fir their particular biasesa dn prejudices but I think it states very clearly the intent of the Founding Fathers...

"insure domestic tranquility" is the part that disturbs me about the right wing in this country... And I think if Tom Jefferson has seen the guy with the gun strapped to his leg at a rally where the president was to speak that ol' Tom would say, "Hey, this wasn't what we had in mind"... Yeah, Thomas Jefferson did say that the document would have to be revsisted from time to time... I'm not even sure that he thought it would survive even for a 100 years but I am sure that he would not be a Tea Partier these days but quite the opposite...

"to form a more perfect ****union*****"... Not just words...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 09:47 PM

Dear Amos: Go find a college professor and maybe he can help you out.

Nah, I ain't that arrogant. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/opinion/18dowd.html


You are right about the Boner quoting from the DI and saying it was from the Constitution.

But did you see the arms waving when Maddow said "Constitution doesn't have a preamble"

You are such a fan of arm wavers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 01:53 PM

Are Obama supporters a terrorist organization


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 03:33 PM

Let me ask you this....

Is the Roller Derby League a terrorist organization???

I think so. These girls are needlessly violent and they're dedicated to punching people's heads in. I call that terrorism. ;-) When you hear the names of the teams, you KNOW it's terrorism.

How about "The Queens of Pain" and the "Manhattan Mayhem", for instance?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 03:38 PM

Disingenuous, Sawzaw.

Obama--or his large number of supporters (remember, he did get elected)--can hardly be held responsible for the occasional maniacal bigot who also favored him over another candidate. Are you suggesting that everyone who voted for Obama is a terrorist?   That covers quite a bit of territory.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 04:25 PM

It's almost as irresponsible as implying that everyone who voted for Chongo Chimp is a terrorist...

But what about those rolly derby girls? Horrifying, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 04:31 PM

Would be, Little Hawk, if they weren't so damned sexy.

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 05:37 PM

Sawz:

It strikes me as nearly insane to try and make a point from last October as though it were true in the present, especially since it was just refuted last week.

There's a scope of relevance in these things, depending on the magnitude of the subject--but this point of Dowd's was overcome by events LONG since. Are you trying to pretend it did not happen because someone said last Ovtober it hadn't happened? Or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 07:12 AM

Disingenuous, Don Firth.


The point is that Bobert has now started two threads that state those he opposes are racsit or terrorist because a few people that agree with them are.



The Tea Party movement, or Palin --or their large number of supporters --can hardly be held responsible for the occasional maniacal bigot who also favored them over Obama's policies. Are you suggesting that everyone who voted for against is a terrorist?   That covers quite a bit of territory. And it is what Bobert is trying to do.

We keep giving equivilent examples that yyou don't like- MAYBE you should reign in BOBERT who thinks this typoe of thread is appropriate, instead of complaing abotu those who are in agreement with you on principles, if not policies.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 07:39 AM

Well, bb, that is not waht I have said, at all... That is just more BB-BS... This isn't about me... I know you love makin' it about me seeing as your a charter member of the Bobert Fan Club... Buty reality is that, like I have said, the right wing, just as the past are not above or below using violence or the threat of violence to achieve their goals... That is what terrorism is all about...

But you faithful Bobert fans don't want to address that reality 'cuase it's always more fun to just attack me??? Go figure... Wonder why ya'll won't stand up and defend or denouce the vilence that threats that are very much a ceneterpiece of the Tea Baggers??? Or why there aren't people of color in the many picures you see of the rallies???

Those are the real issues... Not your childish games which all you Bobert Fan Clubbers are so fond...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 01:17 AM

I speak for myself, BB.

Bobert is perfectly capable of speaking for himself.

And I was talking to Sawzaw.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 11:55 AM

The screaming banshees at the summer political rallies were hardly "occasional." The people with posters about watering democracy with blood were hardly "occasional". The crowds at Palin's rallies who were whipped up to "kill him!" frenzy were hardly occasional. This is the face of the Tea Party. It's not some maniacal tiny subset. It's the Tea Party at its LCD best.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 01:12 PM

It's really hard to generalize here. There are some who are brandishing weapons and others who are scared, confused and disgruntled. There is one common denominator here though.
Racism. There are very few black people at these rallies.

Terrorism is another buzz-word like communism to make people afraid and angry. It is usually misapplied for political purposes.

The so-called Tea Party bears little resemblance to the participants of the original Tea Party in Massachusetts. This trumped-up Dick Armey Tea Party is not unified and does not contain any useful vision for the economic woes we face today. It's a reactive party, not a pro-active one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 01:56 PM

What we need is a Realist Party who carry signs that say "No Medicare Without Taxation."

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:38 PM

"It strikes me as nearly insane to try and make a point from last October as though it were true in the present, especially since it was just refuted last week.

There's a scope of relevance in these things, depending on the magnitude of the subject--but this point of Dowd's was overcome by events LONG since. Are you trying to pretend it did not happen because someone said last Ovtober it hadn't happened? Or what?"

If I knew specifically what you were talking about I might be able to answer your question Amos.

If it is about the Dowd article, it was in regards to her stating the Constitution has a preamble and it was in bold so you could see it.


Don: It was a question like Bobert's question.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:42 PM

OK, Sawz. The Constitution as it is published currently has a Preamble. No problem.

Rachel was wrong about the Preamble part. She must have been thinking of the original version which does not label its parts that way.

Oh, and the Senator's quote was not where he said it was, but from the Declaration of Independence. God knows what he was thinking of...

Any questions?


Sheeeeshe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 03:53 PM

Doesn't much matter, Amos...

The Preamble is an importrant statement... It lays down a vision for our nation... If one takes that vision and applies it to the recent Suprme Court decisions or actions of the Repubican Party then there is something terribly amiss...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 09:39 PM

I agree Amos. Keep up the good attitude.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 09:41 PM

The professor, Amy Bishop that murdered three people with a gun and shot three others was allegedly an avid Obama supporter and a left winger.

Can we conclude that left wing Obama supporters are a terrorist organization?

"A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 10:25 PM

If Amy Bishop had murdered John Roberts of John Bonehead then we'd have something to talk about here... She didn't... She, like other wackos, murdered co-workers...

Actually, given what the left learned in the 60s about just how terrorism can turn a nation around for decades, it would be interesting to revisit the country in 20 years if Obama supporters were to become a terrorist organization... But that is just hypothetical...

Reality is that the left in this country ain't about the kinds of things the the right is willing to rationalize to either stop the left and/or to hold power...

The Tea Party movement is flush with folks ready and willing to kill folks on the left... Their signs and rhetoric are filled with threats of violence...

This is a reality that has nothin' to do with a wacked out college professor who went "postal" at the work place... Those folks, sad to say, seem to follow a certain pattern of killing people they worked with... No politics involved...

BTW, it would be very interesting to poll all the folks who have been convicted of murder and voted in the last election and see just what party is producing the most murderers??? I'd put my money on the Repubs as the murder party but, hey, there ain't no studies that I know of???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 06:59 AM

Bobert,


An overly large number of "all the folks who have been convicted of murder and voted in the last election " were Black.

1. murderers by race for 2004 ( example year- feel free to look for others that mat



The vast majority of those who are Black and who voted in the last election voted for Obama.

2. http://www.chacha.com/question/what-percent-of-black-voters-voted-for-obama-in-the-most-recent-american-presidential-election





So, unless you claim that NO non-blacks voted for Obama, the only conclusion that can be determined is that MORE Obama supporters are murderers than McCann supporters.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 07:21 AM

Well, bruce, that much is prolly true... I'd like to see the data on the white folks... They are the ones who traditionally have used murder for political gain in this country...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 08:25 AM

Then, of course, there's Winnie Mandela, but then, that was a different country.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 09:52 AM

Why does Bobert base his conclusions, which later turn into Bobert "facts", on ifs?

"If Amy Bishop had murdered John Roberts"

If Bobert would apply the same logic on Amy Bishop that he applys to Stack, would he come to the same conclusion?

What if "If Stack had murdered John Roberts"?

People fail to look at things both ways to test their hypothesis.

If A + B = C then C -B = A

However this requires logical thinking which is difficult for some people.

Therefore they are continually unhappy and complain constantly because things don't turn out the way they think it should have.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 12:05 PM

Glad to see you defending logic, Sawz. Keep up the good attitude!

But just as a comment, the formulation that if A+B=C the C-B=A is only true of closed systems and mechanics. In real life, where things are constantly in flux and beliefs pro and con have a large bearing, the use of abstract formulations can quickly go awry.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 12:10 PM

Are Little Hawk's Dogs a Terrorist Organization????



Cosmos Magazine reports: "ARIS: Small domesticated dogs probably originated in the Middle East more than 12,000 years ago as the descendants of grey wolves (Canis lupis).

Researchers Melissa Gray and Robert Wayne led a team from the University of California in Los Angeles that searched for variations of a gene called IGF1 which is a characteristic of small dogs.

"(The variant) probably arose early in their history," said Gray, whose paper is published online by BMC Biology, an open-access journal.

Small domestic dogs at least 12,000 years old

"Our results show that the version of the IGF1 gene found in small dogs is closely related to that found in Middle Eastern wolves and is consistent with an ancient origin."

The work concurs with archaeological work in the Middle East that has unearthed the remains of small domestic dogs dating to 12,000 years ago.

Digs in Europe have uncovered older remains, to as much as 31,000 years ago, but these are of larger dogs.

Iraq's Fertile Crescent

Canine selection may have been carried out by villagers in the Fertile Crescent of modern-day Iraq and other cradles of agriculture.

"Small size could have been more desirable in more densely packed agrarian societies where dogs may have lived partly indoors or in confined outdoor spaces," says the study.

Most of the Western barnyard animals and the cat were domesticated between 12,000 and 8,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent.

Dogs were first domestic animal

However, dogs have been considered as an important exception, as they were thought to have been domesticated 1,000 to 5,000 years earlier, while humans were still living and hunter-gatherers.

"Domestication is a key feature of the Neolithic Revolution, a suite of cultural innovations and consequences comprising sedentism, and agricultural economy, and complex social arrangements conducive to urban living," write David MacDonald and Carlos Driscoll, in an associated opinion article published in the Journal of Biology.

"Gray et al provide evidence that early Middle Eastern dogs segregate for a character, non-adaptive in the wild, that is probably the result of long-term association with humans and must have occurred over many human generations. "




If this is the case, the Mounties better look in on Little Hawk's dogs. They may be secret Iraqi moles.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 04:17 PM

It's really a problem if they went underground 12,000 years ago. They've probably got a lot of connections by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 05:52 PM

Not to mention tunnels. You know how moles are...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 06:53 PM

My wiener dogs DO have plans to take over the world...but they aren't doing it for Iraq. They're doing it strictly for themselves. They don't give a tiddly about Iraq, I can assure you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 07:14 PM

Right. That's what ALL terrorists say at first.

Just wait until they get the signal to activate.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 07:49 PM

And badger dogs would be real good at going underground.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 07:52 PM

Come on, ya'll... When we start with these kinds of humorous tangents it's like poo-pooin' the crux of the thread which is the hypothesis that the Tea Party should be viewed as a terrorist organization because they are out there preachin' violence... To bring up this or that as being a terrorist organization just plays into Sawz simplistic attempt to take a seroius situation and turn it into a joke.... It won't be a joke when one of these nutballs starts shooting at what he percieves as socialists....

As fir his philosphy lesson??? It more like math and less like real world thinking... Math won't solve squat if and when the right thiknks ut's justified in killing progressives.... We have seen that in our life times and it ain't anything we need to see again...

Please... No more jokes unless ya'll is on the right... That's all they have...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 08:22 PM

It seems that every 'meet and greet' I've attended has been called a Tea Party, so I guess it's become sort of a generic term now. So far no 'how can we obstruct' types of discussions; no Obama is an illegal president; not even Obama is a Socialist. The candidates have spoken about how they feel Conservatives have a valid message based on Constitutional interpretation and action, and how it differs from Liberal interpretation. About the most terrorist they've gotten is to say they plan to beat the bejesus out of Liberals in the coming election at the ballot box.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 09:41 PM

Okay, John, come to a liberals defense when the next Repub is elected presdient and a liberal shows up at one on his rallies with a gun straped to his leg and a sign talkin' about killin'... Yeah, be sure to mark that down on your list of things you'll do when the tables are turned...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 10:06 PM

Whaaat?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 12:48 AM

"abstract formulations" are in you head Amos. They are your creation, devoid of the facts that constitute reality.

Bobert: That Stack Guy was a guitar picker, He loved country Music and he hated Bush like you

Therefore whatever he did can be blamed on you. You are telling people to buy guns and talking about shooting people. A revolt. Terrorist talk.

Is this a Bobert quote or a stack Quote?

"The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government."

"Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes"

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different."

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each
according to his need."

Are you sure you didn't help him write that left wing drivel Bobert?

Did he mention Obama One time?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 08:35 AM

Stack is a straw man, Sawz...

Apparently, you haven't gotten the jist of this thread yet which tells me that either you are missing some wiring or you are in denial... Really doesn't much matter which one to me... It's plain as the nose on one's face that you ain't gonna get it...

But one more time... We are talkin' about a larger problem/issue/situation than one man here...

Yeah, John, that's right!!! What if it had been a group of very rowdy, heavily armed Black Panther lookin' dudes accross the street from a Bush rally??? And they we carrying signs talking about violence... What's not to get here??? You gonna defend these guys??? You gonna say they are just exercising their 1st and 2nd ammmendment rights??? Come on, man... Yer smarter than this... Well, let me put it this way, I thought you were smarter than this...

Bottom line, when we not only allow people to act in a mob rule manner but give them face time all over the media it sends out a very strong message... That message is one that I hear 14 and 15 year kids in the local general store mouthing... How many times have you heard a white man say that he'd like someone to "kill that nigger" in reference to Obama??? I've heard it many times over the last couple of years... Ya' see, we have created a culture where that is acceptable... One where these folks aren't not being told that that is not right... I don't know if you havbe ever lived in the South but I've lived in it most of my life and I've stumbled on Klan rallies, I've seen burned crosses, I've seen a sign in Varina, Va, with the crosshairs of a rifle scope painted on a 20 foot sign with the words "Niggers and Communists Beware" and "Minutemen" painted right under that... These are all things I witnessed prior to the assasination of Bobby Kennedy and Martine Luther King...

I mean, it may seem innocent enough to you, John, for an angry white man to camp out accross the street froman Obama rally with a gin strapped to his leg and a sign that implies that it is his patriotic duty to spill someoen elses blood in the name of his politics but...

...it ain't okay in my book... Seen that movie and the ending doesn't look much like America...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 10:10 AM

Sawz:

Lissen to this guy. Even with his pot and his shine and his artificial country grammar, he has more understanding of the flow of things in one earlobe than some of us--including you--have in our whole haids. Listen well, grasshopper.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 11:04 AM

Shucks, Amos... You gonna blow my cover here, son... lol...

But, yeah, I was kinda blessed with an ability to cut thru the crap and anaylize stuff purdy good... I recall back in college VCU hired T. Edward Temple, who was the governor's Commissioner of the Administration, to facilitate a seminar in "Contemorary Urban Problems" and the class size was limited to 10 students, 3 from the left, 3 from the right and 4 in-tweeners... Over 1000 students applied with their differing perspectives and knowledge bases and I was chosen as one of the 3 leftists... One of the so called in-tweeners was the college presdient, Warren Brandt, who IMO was a rightie so the real make-up of the class was 3 lefties, 3 moderates and 4 righties... At the end of the year the 3 of us on the left had pried all 3 moderates over to the left and were workin' hard on one of the righties, Andy Canada... 'Bout a month after the school year I get a call from Andy, who BTW was the head of the Pharmacy Department at Medical College of Virginia and he tells me that, ahhhhhhhh, not only had he come 'round but that he had hooked up with one of his (liberal) assistant profs!!! Go figure???

Not that that means anything in the big scheme of things, mind you... But I am blessed with an ability to see thru bullshit when it is habded to me as the Holy Grail...

But thanks fir the compliment, non the less, 'ol son...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 03:29 PM

Bobert: You are using Stack as a straw man as something you use to hang something on teabaggers.

He is like you Bobert. Not the teabaggers. Do you see any signs anywhere or any AK47s strapped on his leg?

Lead affects the brain first.

Let this poor deranged fellow Bush hater rest in peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 03:35 PM

Bobert used Stacks deranged hatefulness culminating in violent destruction as a SYMBOL, Sawz.

A symbol represents something, and the trick is to correctly grasp what it is that it represents. If you get the symbolism wrong, the dialogue will go haywire at that point.

In this case you got the symbolism wrong. Bobert made a valid point about certain siumilarities between the blind hatred of Stack (in his penultimate days) and the kind of vociferous hatred that characterizes some Teabag Party adherents, although not all of them.

His POINT was not about Stack but about a cultural environment that inculcates and nurtures hatred and destruction in the guise of false colors such as patriotism and resistance to tyranny, using those as excuses when there are none.

Capiche?

Bitte seien Sie nicht ein Ananasgehirn beim Vortäuschen, ein intelligenter Mensch zu sein.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 04:12 PM

The same symbolisim applies to tax dodging Moonshiners, guitar pickers who hate GWB, dope dealers and professors who rabidly support Obama.

Therefore those groups are dangerous and terrorists.

If you can possibly make that abstract formulation.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 04:53 PM

Well Bobert, I would say one of us is wrong. You thought I wouldn't support or make exuses for gun toters on the right. I wouldn't have thought you would tar a whole movement by a few fringies. As I don't condone violence, or threats of violence against those I disagree with, it's not you who is wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 04:56 PM

Write in haste, write wrong. Last clause should read "it is I who was wrong."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 05:03 PM

Well, I dunno anyone who rabidly supports Obama, myself. It is kinda inconsistent, him attracting the more reflective and thoughtful sort.

I hasten to agree with John that the whole Tea Party movement should not be tarred. Bobert points out correctly that in the media at least, multiple instances of hate speech and incitement to violence have been observed at some Tea Parties. That was his point, not some sweeping all-embracive generalization, if I may venture to interpret his point.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 05:10 PM

I wish it was just one loose screw in the parts cleaner, John.... Have you seen the signs that these folks carry at their rallies??? Google up "Tea Bagger Photos" and get yerself a look at what these folks are thinkin' and sayin' on their signs... I think yer about to get a real education on these folks...

BTW, I wasn't going to bring this up but what the heck... Also check out the number of these Tea Baggers who are overweight...

(Well, that's their right, Boberdz...)

Yeah, it is... I hope they all have their own helth insurance when this condition starts costing US real money 'cause if ther's one thing that bugs me is having my health insurance go up because I'm helpin' to cover a bunch of rednecks who hate the government who think it is their right to eat whatever they want, whenever they want... Sure, it's their right and it's my right to call them on it when ***they say*** they want less government but will be the ones screamin' the loudest when they they get sick for, ahhhhhh, what??? More government!!! Well, at least where they are concerned...

Purdy strange times we live in...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 05:16 PM

"That was his point, not some sweeping all-embracive generalization, if I may venture to interpret his point."

NOT according to the thread title. I thought you believed that people should take ownership and responsibility for what they do and post?

And what is it with the name calling and personnal insults? Is your arguement THAT weak that you resort to attacking those who present opposing views, rather than the views themselves? Do you hear us calling you one of the fruits and nuts that live in la-la land ( California)? Obviously we have more evidence of that than you have of the composition of anyone's brain.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 12:38 AM

Amos, You are getting there.

Are Killer whales a terrorist organization?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 02:14 AM

Please don't be stupid, Sawz.

Bruce the thread title has two question marks at the end of it.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 07:13 AM

"Are Killer whales a terrorist organization?"

         No, but La Raza is a lot like a school of sharks.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 07:35 AM

Normal, Sawz...

Make jokes about anything that make you uncomfy...

But nevermind that, folks... I am very surprised that no one came to the defense of the over-eating Tea Baggers???

(I know, Sawz.... Are fat people a terrorist organization...)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 01:05 PM

Those are supposed to be jokes? Wow I'm glad you told me. I can stop trying to make them make sense.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 11:19 AM

Frank Rich of the NYT writes:

What made that kamikaze mission eventful was less the deranged act itself than the curious reaction of politicians on the right who gave it a pass Ñ or, worse, flirted with condoning it. Stack was a lone madman, and it would be both glib and inaccurate to call him a card-carrying Tea Partier or a ÒTea Party terrorist.Ó But he did leave behind a manifesto whose frothing anti-government, anti-tax rage overlaps with some of those marching under the Tea Party banner. That rant inspired like-minded Americans to create instant Facebook shrines to his martyrdom. Soon enough, some cowed politicians, including the newly minted Tea Party hero Scott Brown, were publicly empathizing with StackÕs credo Ñ rather than risk crossing the most unforgiving brigade in their base.

Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, even rationalized StackÕs crime. ÒItÕs sad the incident in Texas happened,Ó he said, Òbut by the same token, itÕs an agency that is unnecessary. And when the day comes when that is over and we abolish the I.R.S., itÕs going to be a happy day for America.Ó No one in KingÕs caucus condemned these remarks. Then again, what King euphemized as Òthe incidentÓ took out just 1 of the 200 workers in the Austin building: Vernon Hunter, a 68-year-old Vietnam veteran nearing his I.R.S. retirement. Had Stack the devastating weaponry and timing to match the death toll of 168 inflicted by Timothy McVeigh on a federal building in Oklahoma in 1995, maybe a few of the congressmanÕs peers would have cried foul.

It is not glib or inaccurate to invoke Oklahoma City in this context, because the acrid stench of 1995 is back in the air. Two days before StackÕs suicide mission, The Times published David BarstowÕs chilling, months-long investigation of the Tea Party movement. Anyone who was cognizant during the McVeigh firestorm would recognize the old warning signs re-emerging from the mists of history. The Patriot movement. ÒThe New World Order,Ó with its shadowy conspiracies hatched by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Sandpoint, Idaho. White supremacists. Militias.

Barstow confirmed what the Southern Poverty Law Center had found in its report last year: the unhinged and sometimes armed anti-government right that was thought to have vaporized after its Oklahoma apotheosis is making a comeback. And now it is finding common cause with some elements of the diverse, far-flung and still inchoate Tea Party movement. All it takes is a few self-styled ÒpatriotsÓ to sow havoc....

And here's the earlier story on the Tea Party which he called "chilling".

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:52 PM

Yeah, Amos.... Amazing that all it took to bring back the right-winged "Patriot Movement" was the election of a black president...

This is what this is all about... Hey, these people never ever complained about governemnt spending while Bush was going on a spending spree unparalelled in history... But let a black man become president and it's time for the "revolution"... Might of fact, Obama has cut taxes for 95% of workers yet these same people are pissed off and most would tell you that Obama has raised their taxes... And Obama wants to take yer guns.... And Obama isn't a citizen... And, and, and...

...fucking bigots as far as I can see and now they want to kill people???

Yup, this country is way dumbed-down... Too many ignorant bigots can't get enough of the Big Lie... Reminds me of Germany in the late 30s... Lotta same stuff going down...

To all my progressive friends: like Rap has said, buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:55 PM

"Barstow confirmed what the Southern Poverty Law Center had found in its report last year:..."

          So one needs to derermine which is worse, the Tea Party movement or the Southern Poverty Law Center.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 07:53 AM

One ain't advocating violence, Rigs... Guess which one...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:52 AM

So one needs to derermine which is worse, the Tea Party movement or the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Oh, please. Don't be a jackass.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 12:10 AM

Well, well, well...

It just had to happen... Seems that one Obama votin', cross dressin', Cheney hatin', civil rights lovin', Patriot Act protester had to carry out a WMD / bio-warfare terrorist attacks on the government and then committed suicide.

Anthrax Terrorist Ivins email July 2 2008: Dick Cheney scares me. The Patriot Act is so unconstitutional it's not even funny. The Patriot Act is so unconstitutional it's not even funny is dreadful. What happened to rights, freedoms and liberties? I'm voting for Obama!

Buccal swabs taken from Bruce Edwards Ivins

Are suicidal Obama voters / patriot act haters / Cheney haters / cross dressers a Terrorist Organization??


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 01:31 AM

Nutballs.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 05:42 AM

Amos,

I agree that Obama supporters are sometimes nutballs, but ** I ** see no reason to start a thread indicating that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 07:11 AM

The Tea Baggers ain't got the market captured in mental illness... Actually, suicide is mcuh more prevalent then we woould think because it doesn't make the nightly news like the murders do...

But if we are gointg to pass judegements on elected officials based on thre suicide rates of the folks who wvoted fir them then we are gonna be hard-pressed to find any that are worthy...

But, Part 2, this is just a straw man that has nothing to do with the the dangerously damaging speech and behavior that our country is allowing the Tea Baggers to get away with... Like I have said, if I had strapped a gun to my leg and carried a sign advocating violence to a Bush rally, I would have been arrested or shot, no questions asked...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 10:14 AM

Are anti-war nut jobs a Terrorist Organization??

Gunman killed after shooting 2 Pentagon police

...I am determined to see that justice is served in the death of Colonel James Sabow, as a step toward establishing the truth of events such as the September 11 demolitions and institutions such as the coup regime of 1963 that maintains itself in power through the global drug trade, financial corruption, and murder, among other crimes. My work to develop information currency is an effort to create a framework for information management that uses financial markets to create the economic signals (prices) that will effect complex human actions in the real world based on specified information. My desire for justice led me to violate what I think is one of the most unjust laws, cannabis prohibition, by growing 16 cannabis plants on my balcony in Irvine, CA from March 2006 to June 2006. I've posted the Orange County, CA District Attorney's complaint for this offense at http://cannabis.wikia.com/wiki/JPatrickBedell_2006-06-06_cannabis_felony....

A stoner too? But Sawzaw, does that mean Stoners are a Terr... Naw. I am not going to make that smug assertion.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 10:31 AM

Good on ya, Sawz, for your discrimination and self-control...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 11:26 AM

a sign advocating violence

Now imagine yourself with a sign like that with Obama on it instead of Bush anywhere, at any rally, with or without a gun.

You would be arrested or shot with no questions asked.

But with the double standard, lefties can get away with carrying signs like that and whine, cry and suck snot about their freedom being taken away at the same time.

The Lefties ain't got the market captured in mental illness, not quite. But as you can see by the actions of Ivins, Bedel and Bishop, they are workin' on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 05:32 PM

""Joseph Andrew Stack mocks the American health care system as a profit-driven joke; attacks George W. Bush 'and his cronies';""

Well, he got that much absolutely right, didn't he?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 05:55 PM

""in Order to form a more perfect Union (1), establish Justice (2), insure domestic Tranquility (3), provide for the common defense (4), promote the general Welfare (5), and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity (6)""   (The numbers are mine)

Well, for Democrats that's pie in the sky.

The repubs have destroyed (1), (2), (3), and (4), totally ignored (5), and made (6) available only to themselves.

Wow,....And I always thought all Americans believed in the Constitution (except G W Bush, "It's only a piece of paper")

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 06:04 PM

That's about right, Don...

Anything the right wants to do which is illegal they think is unconstitutional and anything that the liberals are doing they think should be illegal... Kinda mixed up logic with the right (ahhhh, the wrong)...

BTW, Sawz... Don't think I didn't notice yer restraint... There's hope for ya' yet, son... Not much, but hope...lol...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,John
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 11:55 PM

Bobert--

I love this country and its tradition of free speech.

I love people in the streets to oppose Jim Crow (my own first). I loved kids in the streets against the Vietnam war. I loved people in the streets for peace.

But, Bobert, I love them all. Not just the ones that agree with me, or the ones where every signmaker can spell. I love them all.

I hope you took the opportunities you had to speak. In the streets if you felt that call.

These people say they feel threatened by their government. I have felt that way myself. Sometimes I went into the streets and spoke, sometimes I didn't. If they feel that way, then no wonder they are speaking. I love them for it.

Grace in the face of political opposition is one of the things that defines the good part of American politics. It pleases me when I see and hear Americans who show that virtue. I try to show it toward my opponents.

My opponents are not usually villains or idiots, they are heroes for their own values. To call them nasty names does me no credit at all. It is especially abhorrent to me to suggest that a crowd of thousands must all be villains and idiots, because I have been told that some of them are.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:17 AM

Killer liberal government haters doing illegal things:

Pentagon Gunman was busted in Reno for Pot

Reports say that Bedell was calm Thursday when he coolly drew a 9-millimeter handgun from his pocket and started firing during the point-blank attack that turned into a four person shooting spree.

A distrust of the federal government was apparent on Internet social networking blogs that officials believe were authored by Bedell

On Feb. 5, Bedell posted $2,080 cash bail in Reno on charges of driving under the influence of marijuana and possession of a controlled substance, records show. He was given a March 2 arraignment date in Reno Justice Court and failed to appear.

Bedell was arrested in Reno at South Virginia Street and Longley Lane about 9:30 p.m. Feb. 1 following a traffic stop. A deputy suspected he was intoxicated due to the vehicle drifting across travel lanes and stopping 50-feet before approaching a red light.

Inside Bedell's car was a drug pipe with marijuana residue and three plastic containers of marijuana, the report said.

"I could smell a strong odor of marijuana emitting from the vehicle," Deputy John Schuette wrote. "I explained to Bedell that I could smell marijuana and asked him to hand it to me. Bedell retrieved a pink colored metal pipe from his right pants pocket and gave it to me."

Schuette wrote Bedell told him the last time he used marijuana was "a couple weeks ago," and later revised his answer to "a couple hours ago."....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:39 AM

Reefer Madness! That really exists! I thought it was just a publicity campaign!

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 02:06 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the last time he used marijuana was "a couple weeks ago," and later revised his answer to "a couple hours ago."....

So was it weeks or days? don't matter to a stoner. Facts are irrelevant.

They believe something is a certain way and facts do not mean anything to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 02:13 AM

Bullshit, Sawz. Threatening to kill a sitting President is grounds for immediate investigation by te FBI and Secret Service no matter who sits.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 07:57 AM

Actually, this ahs nuthin' to do with pot and everything to do with hate groups... Seems that every time we have a Dem president the number of hate groups increases... Happened in the 90s and it's happening again... Difference now is that hate is "in" and being marketed on FOX and dozens of talk radio shows... We didn't have that brand being sold in the 90s... Yes, we hd conservative talk shows but not with the hate that these folks are selling these days...

Washington Post had an interesting article on this yesterday and maybe I'll talk more about it later but right now...

...gotta go to work...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 12:49 AM

"Bullshit, Sawz. Threatening to kill a sitting President is grounds for immediate investigation by te FBI and Secret Service no matter who sits."

So what was the results of this investigation?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:52 PM

Is there such a thing as an anti-social socialist?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 03:30 PM

Is Moveon.org a Terrorist Organization??

An opponent of government healthcare programs had part of a finger bit off during a fight at a pro-healthcare-reform rally this week in Thousand Oaks. William Rice, 65, of Newbury Park was with a small group of counter-protesters at a vigil Wednesday night organized by Moveon.org when a man bit off part of his left pinky finger during a scuffle, authorities said. Doctors were unable to reattach Rice's finger. Sheriff's detectives Thursday were still looking for the man who bit Rice. Investigators also were sifting through conflicting accounts of the incident, but Rice acknowledged that he threw the first punch. "When he got in my personal space, I popped him in the nose," Rice said in a phone interview Thursday. "I felt like I had no choice other than to defend myself." The incident was reported at 7:26 p.m. Wednesday at Lynn Road and Hillcrest Drive, where more than 100 people gathered for the pro-healthcare-reform vigil.

About 15 people opposed to President Obama's healthcare reform stood across the street from Moveon.org's group. Members of Code Pink: Women for Peace also were there, authorities said. Rice got involved in a heated discussion with a member of Code Pink, said sheriff's Capt. Ross Bonfiglio, a department spokesman. After the argument, Rice returned to where his group was standing. An unidentified man then walked from Moveon.org's area toward the opponents and verbally confronted Rice, allegedly calling him names and acting aggressively, Bonfiglio said. Rice told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, Bonfiglio said. A fight ensued, during which part of Rice's finger was bitten off, Bonfiglio said. Rice drove himself to Los Robles Hospital & Medical Center in Thousand Oaks. Another man found the bitten-off portion of the finger and took it to Rice at the hospital, Bonfiglio said.

Doctors told Rice the pinky, severed near the second knuckle, could not be reattached because of high bacteria levels from a human bite, he told the Ventura County Star. Rice said he did not initially plan to participate in any demonstration Wednesday. He was driving by when he spotted Code Pink members, and he stopped to see if they were protesting the military, he said. Rice has a son who is an officer in the Marine Corps. After a brief exchange with Code Pink members, Rice said, he was satisfied they were not protesting the military. He was leaving when a man who seemed "deranged" approached and called him an "idiot," he said. Rice said he felt like the man had singled him out because he was the "easiest target." But the incident happened quickly, he said, and he doesn't clearly remember everything that preceded the altercation.

Scott Bush, 43, of Thousand Oaks said he was standing with Rice in the group opposed to healthcare reform when the man walked over from the Moveon.org group. Bush said the man asked the group if it supported a public health insurer option, and members responded "no." The man then singled out Rice and asked him why, according to Bush. When Rice responded that he didn't want the government involved in anything, the man moved toward Rice and yelled, "You're an idiot," Bush said.

Bush said Rice then hit the man in a defensive move. The man then pulled Rice into the street, according to Bush. After a fight that lasted only a few seconds, Bush said, he heard Rice say, "He bit my finger off," and he saw a stump. Several witnesses said Rice's shirt was ripped during the scuffle. Bush said he later found the roughly 1-inch piece of finger about 20 feet away and took it to Los Robles Hospital. The suspect left before police arrived, authorities said. He was described as a short man with a medium build, wearing a blue cap, black shirt and black shorts. Detectives were still trying to determine much about the incident, including whether the man intended to bite off Rice's finger, sheriff's Detective Eric Buschow said. Rice said he thinks the man intended to harm him but not bite off his finger.

Authorities did not consider the man a criminal suspect Thursday and were not looking to arrest him, Buschow said. "We want him to come forward so we can talk to him. We want to hear his side," Buschow said. "He's part of the puzzle." The man did give an account of the incident to people at the Moveon.org gathering before he disappeared, said Joanie McClellan of Thousand Oaks, an organizer of the vigil. The man was visibly shaken, with his glasses askew and a lens missing, she said.

McClellan said no one at the gathering knew the man, who never gave his name and said he wasn't on the Moveon.org list. McClellan, also involved with Code Pink in Ventura County, said she did not see the altercation. The man told McClellan he was on his way to the healthcare vigil when Rice heckled and then hit him, she said. The man acknowledged he had bitten Rice's finger, she said. "We had asked him to go and sit on the grass so he could calm down, and I never saw him again," she said.

Although he did not plan to protest Wednesday, Rice said, he's opposed to government involvement in general, except for mail service and the military. "It doesn't have any business in anybody's healthcare," he said. Rice acknowledged he used the Medicare he gets as a senior when he went to the hospital Wednesday. He said it was the first time he used the program, to which he remains adamantly opposed. "If I had any other options, I would not have used it, even though I pay for it," he said.

Emily Kryer, spokeswoman for U.S. Rep. Lois Capps, said the incident will not affect plans for a healthcare forum Friday night in Oxnard. The congresswoman will co-host a community information session at 6 p.m. at Bethel AME Church. Kryder said Oxnard police officers will provide security. Anyone with information about the biting incident is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 800-222-TIPS.

Blood in the streets.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:12 PM

Sawz, you sound kinda desperate there, buddy. Do you think there is a difference between one overheated nutball and a whole organization of them?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:13 PM

Yes, Move.On is most definately a terrorist organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 10:54 PM

Being as Obama doesn't want to call Al Qaeda terrorists, or call it a war on terror, why should we begin labeling those groups terrorists, that we simply don't agree with????

Some people are just too easily whipped up by the media frenzies!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 11:34 PM

Bobert nailed it above. Hate is on the rise, just like pre OK City. Go Google Hutaree. Honestly now, do you think they watch Fox or MSNBC?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:44 AM

"Do you think there is a difference between one overheated nutball and a whole organization of them?"

Do you Amos? That is the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:10 PM

Yep.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:18 PM

Are UC Berkley students a terrorist organization??

Overnight, an impromptu riot to protest budget cuts and tuition increases at the University of California-Berkeley snowballed to include more than 200 people and resulted in flaming dumpsters, broken windows and dancing in the streets.

The Daily Californian reports that the riot emerged from a campus dance party and metastasized into an all-out fiery clash between students and police.

    Officers physically pushed the crowd back so that Berkeley fire personnel could extinguish the flames. Sporadic fights broke out within the crowd, causing police to advance their line on the growing mob and use batons to push it back.

    Members of the crowd hurled glass bottles, plastic buckets, pizza and other objects at the police line. The crowd's size and intensity fluctuated as the police and protesters clashed and multiple members of the crowd were detained by police.
Mob attacks UC-Berkeley chancellor's home

BERKELEY, Calif., Dec. 12 2009 (UPI) -- An angry mob descended on the home of University of California-Berkeley Chancellor Robert Birgeneau, breaking windows and throwing torches, police said.

Eight of the estimated 75 people who took part in the Friday night attack were arrested on a variety of charges, including attempted arson and assault with a deadly weapon, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Saturday.

The crowd voiced anger over student fee increases and budget cuts.

"No justice, no peace," they chanted before smashing planters, windows and lights, the newspaper said.

Campus spokesman Dan Mogulof said several threw torches at the home, where Birgeneau was awakened by his wife, Mary Catherine.

"These are criminals, not activists," Birgeneau said in a statement Saturday. "The attack at our home was extraordinarily frightening and violent. My wife and I genuinely feared for our lives. The people involved in this action will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I want to emphasize that they represent an extreme minority of our students."

The attack came a day after university police arrested 66 people tied to a four-day protest this week at the school's Wheeler Hall, which also was the site of a Nov. 20 occupation and clash between students and authorities."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:30 PM

Students protesting for greater access to education is at least a worthy goal, even if the mob got out of control and resorted to property damage. I don't know if I would even call them an organization, let alone a terrorist organization. You keep bringing in these sketchy associations to divert the thread from its original subject, Sawz. Why not post an article demanding to know whether Japanese whalers are a terrorist organization? This is a silly rhetorical device designed to nullify the subject by redefining the topic with ridiculous associations.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:33 PM

Amos,

"Students protesting for greater access to education is at least a worthy goal,"

So, having decided that the opinions of others as to what is a worthwhile goal ( cutting the cost and control of governemnet, and keeping medical costs down), YOU decided what is appropriate to demonstrate about????

Shame, shame...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:36 PM

For those who missed the UC Berkeley Free Speech Movement...   

       ...and fight the 60s wars all over again

       Back with Barry

       This is gettin' scary

       Back with Barry's Boys!


{appologies to the Chad Mitchell Trio}


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:56 PM

Are you asserting that access to education is not a worthwhile goal, Bruce? Or is it their exercise of unhampered speech?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:07 PM

Amos,

Are YOU asserting that concerns over the growing government control and increasing tax burden are not worthwhile goals? Or is it the exercise of unhampered speech by those that do not agree with you?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:30 PM

Planning to shoot law enforcment people and protesting are worlds apart in the logical mind... The illogical mind??? Maybe a different story... I donno... My mind can't get from protesting to planning cop shooting... Just can't get there...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:44 PM

Bobert:

"Planning to shoot law enforcment people and protesting are worlds apart in the logical mind... "

I agree. But the Christian Milita ones arrested were no more representative of conservatives than the Black Panthers that DID shoot police were of all blacks back in the 60's/70's .


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:49 PM

All political movements are of necessity "terrorist".

Organisation of humanity is a terrorist act.

All governments....especially "democratic" governments engage in terrorism, against their own people and against the people of other nations whom they perceive to be weaker, but an ideological danger.

Once again we are being diverted into splitting hairs, the enemy is obvious but we continue to tolerate it because we fear we may lose what we have gained through terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:09 PM

Well Well Well. Teabaggers don't like taxes being heaped on them and stuff rammed down their throat and when they protest. So bitter, angry Bobert cranks up his hate machine another notch and calls them terrorists.

Students riot, terrorize the Chancellor and his family, set fires, battle with police and destroy personal property to protest higher tuition and they are Angels.

Unhampered speech means you can terrorize people by attempting to burn their house down with them inside and left wingers will give you a pass.

You and Bobert live in symbiosis like Felix and Oscar. A mutual admiration society.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:10 PM

he said he recognizes that the movement involves people with "mainstream, legitimate concerns" about the national debt, government expansion and big spending.

"I wouldn't paint in broad brush and say that everybody who is involved or have gone to a tea party rally or meeting are somehow on the fringe," Obama said. "I think that there's a broader circle around that core group of people who are legitimately concerned about the deficit, who are legitimately concerned that the federal government may be taking on too much."



That is what Obama said- I guess some here need to tellhim how wrong he is...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:18 PM

"These people could be anybody. I wouldn't put it past the Democrats to plant somebody there. They're trying to label the tea party, but I've never seen any racial slurs."

-- Dale Robertson, self-proclaimed founder of the Tea Party, quoted by the Washington Times.

The only problem? The Washington Independent caught Robertson at a Tea Party rally last month holding a sign with a racial slur. Story here> "Dale Robertson, a Tea Party activist who operates TeaParty.org, is getting stung for an old photo Ñ taken at the Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston Ñ in which he holds a sign reading ÒCongress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.Ó

After the ResistNet listerv promoted ÒLiberty ConcertsÓ to be held by TeaParty.org, a source passed on this photo of Robertson, after the jump.

Update: Josh Parker of the Houston Tea Party Society tells me that Robertson was booted out of the event for this sign."



Read more: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/03/29/bonus_quote_of_the_day.html#ixzz0jhl2NfSx


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:23 PM

Perhaps the truth might at last start to trickle through to the demonisers of Obama that,far from being a radical of the extreme left, he is a decent moderate politician, who would be quite at home politically in the centre-right in most democratic countries.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:41 PM

Tea Party people didn't give a flying fuck about taxes when George Bush was the president...

(But he was a Republican and white, BOberdz...)

My point, exactly...

But back to Tea Party people... Look at the rallies... These are the same right winged base that the Repubs have always taken for granted and either vote or don't vote depending on their mood... They ain't the folks who got the big tax cuts under Bush... They ain't the upper 5%ers... No, they are the Joe the un-Plumber (what does he really do???)... So ya'll can take the tax argument and flush it... That dog don't hunt... Oh, BTW... 95% of them have had their taxes go, ahhhhhhh, down under Obama so ya'll just quit with the stupid arguments and get to meat of the problem: Obama is black and he is a democrat... That's ths tory here... The rest are lies piled upon lies...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Alice
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:12 PM

Someone has started a page of photos of Tea Party signs using "creative" spelling and grammar. They call it Teabonics.

Teabonics on flickr

My favorite so far is
"Make English America's offical Language"

(offical is underlined twice)

They seem to have trouble with "ial". Several spell socialism as
socilism.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Alice
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:17 PM

Oh, now I have a new favorite Tea Party protest sign.

These are like the signs you see at Engrish.com.


"Remember descent the highest form of patriotic"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:29 PM

"Tea Party people didn't give a flying fuck about taxes when George Bush was the president."

But now that Obama is jacking them up, they do give a flying fuck.

Sounds logical to me.

Oh and the $400 dollar tax break? How does that stack up against the $600 rebate from GWB?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:49 PM

The tea party was established by Dick Army and his lobbying group to serve as a diversion from recent Republican sins and promote the same old interests of the extremely wealthy. Steer the anger and outrage of the common man victims of Wall Street crimes and you will secure votes of the unwashed public for the interests of Wall St.

View it as a stage play and it makes more sense.

Act one - the set up and the theft
Act two - Hiding in plain sight while others fight
Act three - The great irony.


We are currently in Act 2 which is my favorite. It involves steering the anger of the common man away from the robbers and to direct their wrath at the goverment, no matter how violent or chaotic such a campaign will become, is crucial for the saftey of the 13 banks, the 13 bankers and 11 familes who own them. These families will do anything to avoid the personal blowback following the greatest deliberate financial theft in recorded history. Just like a desperate bank robber, but on a monumental scale, they will bribe, they will take hostages, they will make demands, they will create diversions, they will murder (by proxy).

Steering the outrage of reasonable people as well as the blind thrashing by the irrational angry victims of the God and guns crowd, is the chief concern of well to do bank robbers. Calling the goverment totalitarian, fascist or communist is only half of the diversion.

The savagery committed by men with such clean uncalloused hands is felt in ; every state capitol, every public classroom, in every small business, in every manufacturing plant, in every forclosure, in every lost job and in every man woman and child who do not have $400 million dollars to cushion their fall.

It reminds me of how the Pope is not concerned by the deaf children who were raped by clergy , but was only concerned of how the church may remain safe and secure and how to harbor the pedergasts safely away from controversy.

The final act of this evil financial play will involve the evil that is done after robbery in Act 1, after the diversions and fighting in the streets in act two. It is about the tragedy that tears apart every family and every nation while the robbers come out of hiding. It concludes with the irony that the victims of the great theft were unable to keep their eyes on the ball, to see who the real villains were, and end up blindly killing each other. In the end we see the victims serving the very people who destroyed their life.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:53 PM

Is the SEIU a terrorist Organization??

African American man beaten by SEIU Union Thugs in St. Louis at townhall protest

Left wing racial hatred and violence at it's ugliest.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 11:28 PM

Are Japanese whalers are a terrorist organization?


According to a report from the news agency EFE, yesterday three crewmembers of a Japanese whaling ship suffered injuries from corrosive acid thrown at them by protesters from the anti-whaling group, Sea Shepherd, in the waters off Antarctica. The environmentalist group, which has been dubbed by some a "terrorist organization," has been known to resort to militant tactics before in order to disrupt Japanese whaling vessels, such as lobbing stink-bombs and shining laser beams, but acid may be the most dangerous tool in their arsenal. While Sea Shepherd justifies its tactics as a way help end the practice of whaling, some are wondering if maybe they have gone too far.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 12:34 AM

If you squint a bit, a dachshund does look a bit like a mole. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 01:01 AM

Don Firth: "If you squint a bit, a dachshund does look a bit like a mole. . . ."

GfS: last time you posted about small animals, you seemed to favor ferrets.........not so satisfying anymore??...Too small???

Winking!
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 01:12 AM

All kidding aside........

Remember back in the 60's, the slogan and bumper sticker that said: "suppose the gave a war, and nobody came"

Perhaps we should not be recruited into somebody else's contrived cause, and these 'examples' of media hyped incidents, and or their interpretations.....fanned to bring civil unrest, and to suck everyone into it!

How widespread, and/or violent should it get, before those who got sucked into making it more than it is, get before we second think about promoting it???

We, who are musicians, should be on the side of peace, and use our instruments as weapons for peace, not for promoting causes that nobody is sure of the origins, or where it is leading the country to.

Peace, GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 05:39 AM

""Yes, Move.On is most definately a terrorist organization.""

This one puzzles me Sawzaw.

Do you actually believe that there is an organisation arranging to have its members stick a finger into the mouth of opposing protesters, and have it bitten off?

To what end?........Infect the enemy with HIV?..........Have them convicted of cannibalism?.......WHAT?

If that's terrorism, it seems strangely ineffective.

Ten outings, and they won't even be able to write to their Congressman.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 05:48 AM

Sorry, that was Rig.

Nevertheless, my comments re Sawzaw's lengthy cut 'n paste stand.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 08:00 AM

Yeah, GfS... And alot of us do use the stage as a forum to talk about stuff... I know I do and have had complaints from promoters for it becuase the Sawzes in the audience don't like it... But I don't go on and on... Just a little here and a little there...

Mah man, Sparky Rucker, now??? Different story... His motto is that "if yer gonna get the song yer gonna have to listen to the sermon"... lol... BTW, Sparky can sho nuff deliver a sermon, too...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 12:05 PM

Cool, Bobert!....Sing on..play on....point the way!!!
All this contrived crap HAS to be put in it's place...it's an exercise, in lameness...and all too luring!

Regards,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Mar 10 - 07:25 PM

"Ten outings, and they won't even be able to write to their Congressman."


             Congressmen don't listen anyway.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center is another one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Apr 10 - 01:49 AM

Don T.

When a member of one organization bites off the finger of a member of another organization, it should be obvious which organization is more terrorist like?

That is the purpose. Which is the terrorist organization? Which is the violent organization?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 11:19 AM

Tea Party 48% Obama 44%

On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president's views are closer to their own.

Not surprisingly, Republicans overwhelmingly feel closer to the Tea Party and most Democrats say that their views are more like Obama's. Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they're closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.

The partisan divide is similar to that found in the President's Job Approval Ratings and on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

"Unaffiliated voters are continuing the pattern they established in 2006 and 2008 of opposing the party in power," notes Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports. In his new book, Scott makes the case that "the American people don't want to be governed from the left, the right, or the center. They want to govern themselves." In Search of Self-Governance has received positive reviews from across the political spectrum and is available at Rasmussen Reports and Amazon.com.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

Eighty-seven percent (87%) of those in the Political Class say their views are closer to the president. The Obama Administration has created a significantly larger government and political role in the economy.

Sixty-three percent (63%) of Mainstream Americans say their views are closer to the Tea Party.

Last week, Rasmussen Reports released data showing that 47% of voters felt closer to the views of Tea Party members than to Congress. Only 26% felt closer to Congress.

The new polling found that just 33% believe their views are closer to the average member of a Labor Union than to Congress. In fact, a plurality of voters were undecided when asked about that comparison. While 48% of Democrats said their own views were closer to the average union member, most Republicans and unaffiliated voters could not choose between the two.

In a head-to-head comparison, 45% felt closer to the average Tea Party Member while 35% felt closer to the average union member.

Fifty-three percent (53%) believe their views are closer to the average school teacher than to Congress. Teachers scored six points higher than the Tea Party members when compared to Congress.

In a head-to-head match-up, 47% said they felt closer to the average school teacher while 41% said they felt closer to the average Tea Party member. Once again, the results betray a heavy partisan difference. Democrats prefer the school teachers, Republicans are closer to the Tea Party, and unaffiliated voters are evenly divided.

Earlier polling found that just 16% of voters nationwide consider themselves part of the Tea Party Movement. However, views of the Tea Party remain more positive than negative among voters. Just 11% believe Congress is doing a good or an excellent job.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:10 PM

""When a member of one organization bites off the finger of a member of another organization, it should be obvious which organization is more terrorist like?

That is the purpose. Which is the terrorist organization? Which is the violent organization?
""


Well, to me there is another question to be answered first.

A verbal exchange of views took place, and then one party escalated the situation into physical violence.

Was that party the one you describe as a terrorist?........NO!.......See below.

""Rice told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, A fight ensued, during which part of Rice's finger was bitten off,""

""Rice said in a phone interview Thursday. "I felt like I had no choice other than to defend myself.""

Maybe the man he punched felt even more threatened and also felt that he had no choice but to defend himself.

You make a very poor case for calling the man who first offered violence a victim, and the man he assaulted a terrorist.

I think you might n4eed to re-examine your argument.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:16 PM

Do that font again sawz and I will punch you in the nose.


After an absence of 4 months due to a near fatal attack, one person welcomed me back. For the rest of you, you can take your Indifference and smoke it. Indifference is a Burmese Indica \ Northern light Sativa blend.


Palin's Platoon and Beck's Brigade; only lefties may click here

btw since Beck has said many things regarding the bloody murder of progressives he now tries to mention Ghandi at least once every show.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:24 PM

Donuel

I disagree with most of what you post, but welcome back.

Bypass, or just stents?


( 9 stents now, and an ICD)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:25 PM

sorry, that was me- no cookies on this loaner machine


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 04:58 PM

PHOTO RELEASED of GOP Official and Boyfriend Beaten Bloody
by Jim Hoft

Jack A. Neal posted this photo and comment on Bobby Jindal쳌fs Facebook page tonight: Hi folks. I was in New Orleans this past Friday night. I was dining within a half block of where the incident involving Allee Butsch happened. I joined this group so that I might share the info, as well as a photo I took. More to come쳌c
Via The Hayride.




Allee Butsch suffered a broken leg from the beatdown outside to the SRLC dinner at Brennan쳌fs Restaurant in New Orleans. She had her leg operated on over the weekend and it will take her months to recover. Her boyfriend Joe Brown suffered a broken nose, a broken jaw, and a concussion. They were attacked after leaving the Southern Republican Leadership Conference dinner at Brennan쳌fs Restaurant.


Police are looking for a Caucasian male who appeared to be dirty, in his 20쳌fs, 6쳌Œ1쳌쳌 tall, thin build with a thin face. He had a beard and auburn color hair in a pony tail. He was wearing a light color T shirt and dark color pants. Up to 5 men beat the couple after they left the GOP event on Friday night.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 06:26 PM

And you're posting this why, Brucie?

Are we supposed to all jump to the conclusion that this was done by "THE FAR LEFT"?

Jesus, Man, you've sunken to new lows (I'll admit, I didn't think it was possible)- your boy Rush would be proud of ya.

I doubt this was the first person to be beat on in the history of New Orleans-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 06:51 PM

Is Facebook now a reliable source for real news? Do they have fact checkers? Do they compare independent sources? No? No? No?

This is somebody's say-so and has no more solidity than the used beer offered by a drunk behind the pub.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:34 PM

My deeepest hope is that the Tea Party runs a candidate for president since Sawz thinks they would win over Obmaa... Please, Lord, let the Tea Party put forth a candidiate!!! I am being very serious here...

The problem with the Tea Party is that they are a bunch of crybabies that have little or no understanding of the real world... The moderates, who purdy much stay out of politics except at election time, are ceratinly going to find the debates between the Tea Party candidtae and Obama ver enlightening...

Here's the rub, folks...

The Tea Party folks are pissed off at the government but when it comes to ***their*** fucking Medicare or Social Security it's "Keep your hands off what's mine"... That is the Tea Party in a nutshell... They hate the government as long as the government is helping folks they disagree with but whejhn it comes to them persoanlly, they can't get enough government...

I say, "Screw 'um"... If they hate the government that much than I'd like to see them start a movement to turn down anything on the government's menu of services and/or entitlements!!!

Yeah, come on Tea Baggers... Put up ot shut up!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 09:51 PM

Is NPR Fair?


....there are problems with the Tea Bag animation. Chief among them is it doesn't fit with NPR values, one of which is a belief in civility and civil discourse.

Fiore is talented, but this cartoon is just a mean-spirited attack on people who think differently than he does and doesn't broaden the debate. It engages in the same kind of name-calling the cartoon supposedly mocks...

...The 90-second animation, which creator Mark Fiore calls satire, rather summarily dismisses participants in the Tea Party movement as inarticulate, paranoid bumblers. The video "teaches" the viewer to speak conversational "tea bag."...
Do you believe in civility and civil discourse or mean-spirited attacks on people who think differently than you do?

I am siding with NPR on this one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 10:03 PM

From the NPR ombudsman: But if NPR continues using Fiore, it should quickly find a cartoonist to counter his decidedly liberal take. Critics are right to take NPR to task for only representing one side using such a strong visual medium as an animated cartoon with sound and text.

When has FOX ever said anything like this about itself? The idea (put forward on this very website) of NPR being a shill of the "far left" is risible.

Thanks for the link, Sawz.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:17 AM

Yes Mouse, and if you look you will see a satire of Obama from the same guy but it does not seem as mean spirited to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:22 AM

"Sawz thinks they would win over Obmaa"

Bobert is trying to project the results of a poll on me the same way he projects his own hatred and racism on others.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:31 AM

Bobert? Racist? Dude, I'd love to see things from your perspective, but I just can't shove my head THAT far up my ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 01:59 AM

200!..Nope the baggers are not a terrorist group..that is silly! They are just pissed off taxpayers who don't want to be gouged beyond control, to pay for the people who have a disproportionate sense of entitlement!

Whether you agree with them or not, they have the right to bitch about it...Jeez, look at all the bitching that goes on here!..You bitch, they bitch......I think peace, and contentment is better for a musical mind..however turmoil often presses the best, out of us composers!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 02:38 AM

"They are just pissed off {white} taxpayers who don't want to be gouged beyond control, to pay for the {black} people who have a disproportionate sense of entitlement!

Whether you agree with {the whites} or not, they have the right to bitch about {the blacks}...Jeez, look at all the bitching that goes on here!..You bitch, they bitch"

Not sayin' that GfS is espousing this (really), but this is what it's truly about.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 02:57 AM

TIA, I was listening to the radio, today, and they wanted people to call in who happen to go down to a rally, and just report in, on what they saw. the participants we of a wide spectrum, and quite a bit of diversity. I don't think this is a black/white issue.. Though the liberal left like to portray it as anything, that it is not.

recent polls find the majority of people AGREE more on the policies the baggers say they stand for, than Obama. The liberal left is in the minority,(on the policy issue)..and the baggers don't like the way this latest health care bill was rammed through, and feel that the federal government is passing stuff, against the will of the majority og people.

That's the stuff I hear, and you know what??...some of that is quite true.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:05 AM

Greg F,

I posted a FACT of something happening- more than YOU have with your accusations against Tea Party members. I left the CONCLUSION as to WHO did it to be determined by investigation. Did the post I made say anything about the political side of the attacker????



I notice YOU had no problem stating that "Tea Party Members" did specific acts. Where is the evidence they were members? Hell, where is the evidence other than the statments of those out to smear them that it even happened?

Another example of double standards- since you do not apply that standard to what YOU have posted, to ask me to apply it to mine is bigotry, bias, and prejudice.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:21 AM

Call in polls are even more bogus than the ones that are designed to elicit a specfic result...

I'll repeat: Let the Tea Party run a candidate...

I mean, it's easy to say moronish things such as "I want my country back" and "I want my freedom"... What in the hell do either of those statement actually mean???

Well, I'll tell ya' what they mean... Absolutely nothing... Those aren't policy posotions... They are pep rally stuff... Might of fact, with all the press that these Tea Party people have gotten I don't recall one single policy position that these folks have put forward??? Not one... Any of you righties here know of any???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:26 AM

"The Tea Party: A Heartfelt Hymn of American Redemption
by Rep. Thaddeus G. McCotter (R-MI)

Defending the Tea Party to its opponents is like explaining Bob Dylan to his critics: their ears don't hear what your heart understands.

For a year now, Tea Partiers have peaceably assembled and petitioned government for the redress of grievances; and, for a year now, the political class has feared, reviled and defied them.

In sum, Washington power-brokers and special interests treat the Tea Party movement as a political bacillus to be quarantined until high priced pollsters, pundits and consultants clad in Gucci lab coats can find a vaccine. In truth, the Tea Party movement is a soulful, spontaneous call for the restoration of citizens' God-given rights and a revitalization of our representative institutions so that "We the People" can preserve our cherished way of life. Thus, a Tea Party protest is a hymn of American redemption, one which to truly be heard must be felt in one's heart.

Indeed, amid the folksy din of organic theatrics, at its principled core the Tea Parties constitutes an earnest, spontaneous, decentralized political movement arising from diverse grassroots centers of gravity. Bonded by a shared faith in their freedom and American Exceptionalism, the Tea Party's eclectic mix of Republicans, Independents, Libertarians and Democrats is deeply concerned about the challenges confronting this great nation we've inherited and must bequeath to our children. Consequently, as patriots rather than materialists, Tea Partiers measure their loss of sovereignty by the growth of big government's insane, unsustainable spending, which edges us further toward fiscal implosion and exacerbates the disorder within our troubled republic.

Unlike the political class whose power, privilege and wealth increases commensurately with the expansion of the state, Tea Partiers know their own liberty, sovereignty, security, prosperity and self-evident truths are eroded by big government. Therefore, Tea Partiers realize the biggest special interest is big government, and it is dismissive and disdainful of their aspirations for responsive democracy and limited government.

Shut out and shunned, to be heard the Tea Partiers have guilelessly taken to the public square and, yes, foppishly adopted the themes and symbols of our nation's Founding generation (who themselves always considered the American Revolution a restoration of their traditional rights that had been usurped by an arbitrary and capricious king). Of course, the Tea Partiers' appearance, ingenuousness and patriotism render them ready fodder for elitists' snooty slurs and worse.

Still, Tea Partiers persevere in their entrepreneurial idealism to engage the government created to ensure – not infringe – their freedom. Braced by their belief in America's promise, possibilities and, above all, her people, the undaunted Tea Partiers' continue to utter the politically incorrect heresy that true human progress is not measured by the enlargement of bureaucracy and big government; it is measured in the expansion of liberty and self-government. And, though never pitch perfect, they voice the broader public's desire to stanch big government's march to omnipotence, not through a radical revolution, but through the orderly restoration of our God-given rights; the revitalization of our representative institutions; and, thereby, the preservation of our cherished way of life for future generations of free Americans.

So ignore the political class' cat-calls from the cheap seats and rock on, Tea Partiers. Let the Liberty Bell chime in time with your off-beat songs of freedom. One day, your servant government will hear and heed you; and our free republic will applaud and appreciate your heartfelt hymn of American redemption."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:52 AM

...I notice YOU had no problem stating that "Tea Party Members" did specific acts...

Beardie, pull your head out of your ass. One more time.

You're making things up out of whole cloth- like your BuShite buddies & your pet hate-speech radio shock-jocks.

If you'd bother to read the postings, you'd find that nowhere in this thread did I accuse the TeaBaggers of anything whatsoever!

As usual, bullshit from a serial bullshitter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:59 AM

Greg F.

I will apologize.

"If you'd bother to read the postings, you'd find that nowhere in this thread did I accuse the TeaBaggers of anything whatsoever!

IN THIS THREAD you have not accused Tea Party members of anything.

Your use of Teabaggers, which I have previously stated as offensive ( in several threads) let me think that some posts here were yours, and they were not.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:10 AM

"Whether you agree with {the whites} or not, they have the right to bitch about {the blacks}"

Now Tia is projecting her bigotry on others.

Protesters of a certain race are to be treated differently than proteseter of another race.

The things they say are to be intertereted in dirrerent ways.

The same standard of judgment does not apply to people of two different races.

And Bobert gives his standard boilerplate rant against polls and stats.

The one he locks of in a drawer somewhere when he wants to use stats or polls as proof of something himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:26 AM

Tea Party Not Filled with Nuts
Chris Core, Commentator

http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=1395962&nid=524


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 09:32 AM

"I'll repeat: [over and over and over...] Let the Tea Party run a candidate."

Where is Code Pink's candidate?

Where is Communist Party's candidate?

The Party in TEA Party refers to the Boston Tea Party which did not have a candidate either.

And I haven't heard any tea partiers use incendiary hateful language like "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:12 AM

My post about Tea Party people being better educated than the general public seems to have disappeared.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 03:34 PM

I notice that some lefties on here like to find a similarity to the 'baggers' and Timothy McVeigh....ummm pardon me??..I would liken McVeigh more to Bill Ayers (Obama's buddy)...both were planning to blow up Federal buildings, or did. I think there is a bit of a double standard going on, that as Bruce so eloquently posted, "Defending the Tea Party to its opponents is like explaining Bob Dylan to his critics: their ears don't hear what your heart understands."

Now back to the 'roots' of things, their ears don't hear what your heart understands ........

AND they still DON'T GET IT!

gFs


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 03:51 PM

"Now Tia is projecting her bigotry on others."

There is more funny in that line than you can possibly imagine.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 03:51 PM

No, BB, that's not factual. "Baby Killing" is propagandizing for your position by introducing an inflammatory title. "Pro-life" or "Anti-Choice" doesn't carry the obvious bias that you suggest. "Pro-Live Republicans" or "Anti-Choice Republicans" state a position without
using language to incite violence. Yes, "Baby Killing" does incite violence as recent
events by Hill and his ilk suggest.

That is terrorism.

There are factions of the "Tea Party" movement that support militias and intimidating gun-toters who frequent political rallies. These are terrorists by the classic definition, those
who intimidate for political means.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 04:07 PM

Bill Ayers stated purpose was not to hurt people. Just buildings.
Tim McVeigh didn't care if he did kill people.

The issue is whether the Tea Party is a terrorist organization. I don't think the Tea Party is that cohesive. It doesn't really have a stated purpose but is a reactionary organization
which doesn't know how to channel their anger toward any constructive end.

There is a faction in the Tea Party that uses violent language and metaphors to inflame
their crowd. Obama never did this. You didn't see anyone packing heat at an Obama rally unless they wanted to do the unthinkable.

Palin is "locked and loaded" and ready to inflame.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 06:43 PM

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:10 PM

""When a member of one organization bites off the finger of a member of another organization, it should be obvious which organization is more terrorist like?

That is the purpose. Which is the terrorist organization? Which is the violent organization?""


Well, to me there is another question to be answered first.

A verbal exchange of views took place, and then one party escalated the situation into physical violence.

Was that party the one you describe as a terrorist?........NO!.......See below.

""Rice told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, A fight ensued, during which part of Rice's finger was bitten off,""

""Rice said in a phone interview Thursday. "I felt like I had no choice other than to defend myself.""

Maybe the man he punched felt even more threatened and also felt that he had no choice but to defend himself.

You make a very poor case for calling the man who first offered violence a victim, and the man he assaulted a terrorist.

I think you might n4eed to re-examine your argument.

Don T.

I have moved the above up because Sawzaw, true to form, upon realising that he had no credible answer, simply affected not to notice it.

Your omments SoreJaw?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 06:45 PM

"""I'll repeat: [over and over and over...] Let the Tea Party run a candidate."

Where is Code Pink's candidate?
""

Probably still got his nose in plaster.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 06:50 PM

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:10 PM

""When a member of one organization bites off the finger of a member of another organization, it should be obvious which organization is more terrorist like?

That is the purpose. Which is the terrorist organization? Which is the violent organization?
""    Sawzaw


Well, to me there is another question to be answered first.

A verbal exchange of views took place, and then one party escalated the situation into physical violence.

Was that party the one you describe as a terrorist?........NO!.......See below.

""Rice told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, A fight ensued, during which part of Rice's finger was bitten off,""

""Rice said in a phone interview Thursday. "I felt like I had no choice other than to defend myself.""

Maybe the man he punched felt even more threatened and also felt that he had no choice but to defend himself.

You make a very poor case for calling the man who first offered violence a victim, and the man he assaulted a terrorist.

I think you might need to re-examine your argument.

Don T.

I have moved the above up because Sawzaw, true to form, upon realising that he had no credible answer, simply affected not to notice it.

Your comments SoreJaw?

Don T.

PS perhaps a clone would oblige and get rid of the flawed version above. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 07:54 PM

The problem isn't as much whether or not the Tea Party is engaging in terrorism as much as they are giving comfort to the Tim McVeigh's within our society... But equally troubling is that the government is letting them get away with stuff that, frankly, the anti-war demonstrators during the mad-dash-to-Iraq would have been busted for...

I am still amazed that a guy could show up at a rally where the president was going to speek with a gun strapped to his leg and a sign making references to killing folks... I mean, had I done that outside a Bush rally, I would more than likely been shot dead... Yet this guy becomes a hero???

It's this kinda stuff that sends a clear message to the Tim McVeigh's of the world that as long as yer on the side of the righties that anything goes and even if you do get caught, in lots of folks eyes you will always be a hero... You know, kinda like suicide bombers...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:34 PM

Bobert: You know, kinda like suicide bombers...

Or people who kill abortion providers.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 08:49 PM

Exactly, mouse... There are alot of very extreme righties out there who get quite a bit of "comfort" (think treason here) from the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh and FOX...

So yeah, they feel, just like the al qeada suicide bomber, that they are doing this because it's the "right" thing to do... I find it ingredulous that people will kill doctors for religious reasons??? Exactly what religion preaches killing for any reason???

b~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 02:36 AM

Jeez!..It sounds like the libs are freaking. Not because of the Tea Party, who they fear, but rather the American public who has caught on, in increasing numbers that their days are numbered.
Also, just watched a Democratic pollster predict them losing the House and Senate in November...BIG TIME!....unless they change their spending spree, and get off their 'policies of nonsense'.

Hey, don't blame me..I already knew they were crackpots, and now the American public in a wide margin wants them OUT!

Too bad the Republicans aren't much better!

Think peace!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:28 AM

Define, "libs", GfS...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:31 AM

STILL NO RESPONSE FROM SOREJAW, I SEE!

Funny how he fades into the background when called to account for his nonsense.

And of course Gone from Sanity appears, spouting the usual crap.

So predictable you might think they were the same person.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 06:44 PM

Thee TEa Party is the embodiment of who or what is freaking.   If they could articulate clear arguments and define policy preferences they would be a potential force; as it is they seem to spout meaningless generalities, much in the way GoS does when she's having a bad karma day.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:43 PM

Bingo, Amos... They are, in essence, a party (?) with no real thoughful positions...

They don't like taxes but they offer no alternative...

They want their freedom but don't say what freedoms that have been taken away from them...

They want their country back... Wait just a friggin' minute... So do I but I want if back from the righties...

I mean, everything they say is conflicted... They are like a two-year old having a temper tantrum... It's downright embarrassing knowing the rest of the world is seeing just how dumbed down our country has become... I mean, embarrassing...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 01:30 AM

"Your comments SoreJaw?"

Comments about what? For lack of finding anything to comment on, I would have to say it is filled with bitterness and rage about something but I don't know what.

You need to focus and be specific.

Try some of that Moonshine and pot that helps Bobert keep it together, helps him keep his anger under control, but not his ego.

That would take one of those dilithium crystal powered deflector shields like they have on the U.S.S. Enterprise that stops those photon torpedoes that the ugly ass Klingons fire when they uncloak their Bird of Prey.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:06 AM

Well Well Well

Seems like the majority of Americans agree with the tea party.

Get out your standard rant on polls Bobert.

...On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:14 AM

48% is not a majority. Math. It's not just for scientists anymore.

Further it's just "voters" -- which is about 50% of the population. So less than 25% of the population wants a less activist government. Probably the same people who don't realize that Medicare is a government-run program.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:56 AM

Well, the demon in the wording in that poll is "activist"... If you want to get the poll numbers to reflect yer own bias then you load the questions up words that have been domonized and you'll get exactly what you want... That's the problem with polls... My college Stats professor spent an entire hour expalining how that works... Very tricky... Well, not really tricky at all...

BTW, I was watching the Timothy McVeigh tapes on MSNBC last night and at one point it mentioned the phrase that I have made reference to that was on the sign that the guy with the rifle strapped to his leg at an Obama speech... I hadn't been able to pull it up in my rememberator but it was "The Tree of Liberty" quote (think it was by Jefferson but I'll Google it up when I have time tonight) that suggests using violence... Seems that is the common thread that the extremist use to justify their hatreds...

BTW, has Obama come to any of ya'll rightie's door demanding you give him all yer guns???

Didn't think so...

BTW, Part 2, Tim McVeigh was also convinced that the government was going to take away yer guns...

Hmmmmmmmmm???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 12:33 PM

44% hold the opposite view and believe the president's views are closer to their own.

Is 44% less that 48%??


"the guy with the rifle strapped to his leg at an Obama speech"

Is 1t even possible to strap a rifle to your leg? Show me how it is done.

When Bobert gets one of these "facts" of his in his teeth he's like a snappin' turtle. You can cut off the turtle's head and he still won't let go.

Tell me Bobert, did he break any laws? Was he drinking moonshine and smokin pot?

Secret Service: armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact.

"In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," said Ed Donovan, a secret service spokesman. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."


"Paul Helmke, the president of a gun control group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the presence of armed protesters near the president was a recipe for trouble."

HMMMMMMM wasn't Brady shot by some left wingnut that was aimin' for Reagan? The gang that couldn't shoot straight?

The scary protester's weapon was not concealed and legal.

Hinckley's weapon was concealed and illegal.

You gotta watch those lefties, armed and dangerous.

Maybe even drunk on 'shine and high on pot cause they don't believe in the law.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 12:58 PM

Sawz: 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president's views are closer to their own.

Is 44% less that 48%??


Look up "majority". It means more than 50%. You were wrong. Get over it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:11 PM

What planet are you from, Sawz??? Did you really no see the photograph??? It was all over the news... Oh, that's right... You don't watch the news... You watch FOX... Maybe someone else, like Rap, if he's around, can tell ya' what kinda rifle it was... It ceratinly wasn't a pistol... It was some kinda shortened rifle...

No, Reagan was merely shot by "some kind of nut" that nothing to do with his political leanings but some obsessive compulsive thing (you know about them) for Jodie Foster...

As for lefties being armed and dangerous??? Not, in general, these days... Unlike the righties who are getting away with a lot of stuff that got lefties killed or arrested in the 60's the lefties have learned that the government will kick yer ass if you promote any of the usual crap that the right routinely gets away with... We definately have a dual standard here... The ignorant people get a pass and the intellegent ones get a butt whup...

That's why the guy with the gun wasn't arrested... Had I gone to a Bush rally with heat and a sign that suggested that that I might use it you can bet that the "athorities" would have come up with some law to have me arrested... You can take that to the bank...

But, no. the Tea Partiers will party until their is another Oklahoma City bombing and then sanity will prevail... Seems we never learn... There are over 800 hate groups in this country and here we are givin' a pass to folks who are in the streets acting quite hostile...

Tell ya'll what... If you support the Tea Party then when the next bombing takes place that blood will be on yer hands... Not mine...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:28 PM

""Comments about what? For lack of finding anything to comment on, I would have to say it is filled with bitterness and rage about something but I don't know what.

You need to focus and be specific.   Posted by Sawzaw
""

Specifically my thick friend, for the third time of asking, your comments on my response to your question:-

""When a member of one organization bites off the finger of a member of another organization, it should be obvious which organization is more terrorist like?

That is the purpose. Which is the terrorist organization? Which is the violent organization?    Posted by Sawzaw
""

My response, which you have so far avoided answering, was as follows:-


""Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 03:10 PM

Well, to me there is another question to be answered first.

A verbal exchange of views took place, and then one party escalated the situation into physical violence.

Was that party the one you describe as a terrorist?........NO!.......See below.

""Rice told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, A fight ensued, during which part of Rice's finger was bitten off,""

""Rice said in a phone interview Thursday. "I felt like I had no choice other than to defend myself.""

Maybe the man he punched felt even more threatened and also felt that he had no choice but to defend himself.

You make a very poor case for calling the man who first offered violence a victim, and the man he assaulted a terrorist.

I think you might need to re-examine your argument.

Don T.
""

Comments on that?......Who started the physical violence? Put up, or shut up about


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:30 PM

OOPS should finish shut up about the other side. Rice convicts himself with those comments.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 01:57 PM

Lemme see if 48 is more than 44 that means to me that more people side with the Tea party than don't.

If not then the 44% would be the majority.

So which is the majority?

If there is no majority, I apologize for making a mistake and say that more Americans side with the tea party than they do with Obama.

The guy that threw the punch deserved to have his finger bitten off and called an idiot because he said he did not support a public health insurer option.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:14 PM

There is no majority. 48%, if the largest chunk, is called a plurality. Is English your first language?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:24 PM

I made a mistake, I apologize.

A plurality of Americans side with the tea party.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:32 PM

Still not true. A plurality of voters agree with the tea party, according to the poll. This still leaves open the question of whether the poll was asking fair and non-leading questions, how many of the tea party's planks* were taken into consideration, etc.

*Oh wait. They don't have planks. Just screaming points.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:35 PM

Then there's sample selection....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:47 PM

I apologize again. I made another mistake.

A plurality of voters agree with the tea party, according to the poll.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 04:09 PM

Which Tea Party?

The Palin Party which wants God's values to be enforced with guns and target domestic enemies called Democrats ?

Or the Ron Paul Party that wants the Goverment out of the family value and the Fed monetary business and just leave people alone ?

Or Mr. T's Tea Party? Pity the Foo


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 05:12 PM

""The guy that threw the punch deserved to have his finger bitten off and called an idiot because he said he did not support a public health insurer option.""

No idiot, the guy that threw the first punch deserved what he got because he threw the first punch.

He was the aggressor, and if anyone was a terrorist it was him.

If somebody is shouting at you, that doesn't confer upon you the right to punch his lights out. If you choose to do so you are committing a criminal act of assault, and he is entitled to defend himself from your attack.

So, once again, who is the terrorist (your word), and who the victim here.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 12:41 PM

Thank you for calling me an idiot.

He was leaving when a man who seemed "deranged" approached and called him an "idiot,"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 12:59 PM

Bobert: "camp outside where a black president is about to speak"

Why are you now claiming that he was camped outside? Did he have any camping gear?

No. You purposefully ad on things that you dream up to ad more stink to your stink bomb.

Just something else that you can play your cute games with when someone asks you for the source of your information.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 03:38 PM

""He was leaving when a man who seemed "deranged" approached and called him an "idiot,"

"Deranged" is only his interpretation of the man's condition (I'm assuming he has no psychiatric qualifications), and is merely his opinion.

Even were the man "deranged", he offered only verbal abuse until attacked by Rice, and then defended himself.

The "terrorist" (wrong word, but you wouldn't know any better) was the man who threw the first punch.

A criminal act of assault, which renders the victim justified in fighting in defence of his safety.

Take it to any court and watch it get thrown out.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 05:11 PM

Those of you who believe the Teabaggers are harmless and just expressing their 1st amendment rights should try "The Imagine Game".


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 05:15 PM

Well that didn't work, sorry. Here's the link.

http://ephphatha-poetry.blogspot.com/2010/04/imagine-if-tea-party-was-black-tim-wise.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 08:46 PM

"Camped out" must be a southern term, Sawz... Nothin' cute about it... That's the way folks talk down here... I mean, people camp out to get tickets for events, to get into a Walmart sale, lots of stuff... No camping gear... Geeze... I thought that folks used that term all over... Guess not... Not meant to mislead... Thought is was a common phrase... Guess not???

Doesn't change much... The guy had the "Tree of Libert sign" and a gun (not a pistol) straped to his leg where Obama was getting ready to speak... Do you deny this???

If so then you are terribly uniformed... The pics were all over the place...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 12:54 PM

"""Camped out" must be a southern term, Sawz... Nothin' cute about it... That's the way folks talk down here... I mean, people camp out to get tickets for events, to get into a Walmart sale, lots of stuff... No camping gear... Geeze... I thought that folks used that term all over""

And you were right mate. They do!

Don't mind Sawz, he has these little tricks he uses when he can't think of a sensible response, like claiming to ignore me "because I'm always bitching" (translation:- I don't agree with his latest petulant rant), or nit-picking over grammar or language (as he just did with you).

It's jest a Dumbshit thang!

LOL
Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 01:00 PM

Yeah, Don, I know all about his tricks... 9 out of 10 of them are to divert attention from the issue at hand...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 11:24 PM

Don(Wyziwyg)T

You have a right to your opinions, Bobert has a right to his opinions.

Do I have a right to my opinions? Can I call you and idiot if your opinion is different from yours?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 11:51 PM

Everybody has a right to their own opinion. Nobody has a right to their own facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:21 AM

"The guy had the "Tree of Libert sign"


It was a sign with a quote from Thomas Jefferson who also said "For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."

and a gun (not a pistol) straped to his leg where Obama was getting ready to speak... Do you deny this???

It was a Smith and Wesson 9mm pistol.

Kostric, who is in his mid-30s and lives near Concord, N.H., said he never entered the town hall or laid eyes on Mr. Obama, who was ushered into the event held in a local school through a back entrance.

Kostric said the Portsmouth police initially asked him to move 1,000 feet away from the school, but then permitted him to stay on the grounds of a church because it was private property. (Federal law generally restricts carrying firearms within 1,000 feet of school grounds, but the law does not apply "on private property not part of school grounds" or to anyone with a carry permit, with Kostric says he has.)

"I was weighing my options," Kostric said. "I was considering walking out to the car and dropping off my firearm and coming back. (The policeman) got off hte phone and relayed to me, that if I wanted to stand on the church property, which is about 30 feet from where I already was, that would be acceptable because it was private property."

Kostric: "Personally, I think Obama is a very charismatic speaker. I can certainly see why people are attracted to him, though I'm surprised at his politics in general, since he has taught classes in constitutional law.

I haven't felt that our country has been headed in the right direction since I first took notice of politics. In fact, it was only because I thought things were going so poorly that I took any notice of politics at all. Certainly when things are going our way we tend to become complacent.

I campaigned for the impeachment of Clinton. I campaigned for the impeachment of Bush. I'm not fond of Obama's policies and I'm sure I'd dislike McCain's just as much (I did live in Arizona)."

U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan when asked whether   individuals carrying weapons jeopardized the safety of the president, Donovan said, "Of course not."

The individuals would never have gotten in close proximity to the president, regardless of any state laws on openly carrying weapons, he said. A venue is considered a federal site when the Secret Service is protecting the president and weapons are not allowed on a federal site, he added."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:25 AM

Before anyone posts anything else...didja read the link Alaska Mike posted? (use the URL, not the link)

Go do it please.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:31 AM

That is a good article. But it's preaching to the choir. Nobody it's aimed out would get it -- it's just more "playing the race card" (meaning saying anything at all about race rather than just bobbing and pretending that everything is just grand).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 07:39 AM

Ahhhh, and now for the rest of the quote, The tree of Liberty "must be refresed from time to time with the *blood* of patriots and tyrants"... Like mouse said, yes folks are entitled to their own opinions, just not *their* own "facts"...

The fact is the guy had some kinda rifle strapped to his leg... and that sign... Don't take a Menza Society member to fully comprehend the message...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:25 AM

Bobert,

"It was a Smith and Wesson 9mm pistol."

NOT a rifle.


Your continuous repeating of a false detail impacts the percieved validity of the rest of what you say.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 12:41 PM

What's the difference??? That makes it just that much worse seein' as handguns are repsonsible for the bulk of the murders in this country... No matter, it was a purdy big gun perfectly capable of taking out anyone the guy wanted to take out... That is the point...

Had I shown up at a rally where Bush was going to speak with a 9mm and a sign that eluded to the shedding of blodd, I would have been arrested or shot... That is the real point here... Not what kind of gun it was...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 12:12 AM

Way to strain a gnat and miss the camel, Bruce. You'd make a good Republican.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 06:58 PM

""Can I call you and idiot if your opinion is different from yours?""

No Sawz!....If that were the case you would have to call me schizophrenic.

And a lousy typist.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 07:05 PM

""U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan when asked whether   individuals carrying weapons jeopardized the safety of the president, Donovan said, "Of course not."

The individuals would never have gotten in close proximity to the president, regardless of any state laws on openly carrying weapons, he said. A venue is considered a federal site when the Secret Service is protecting the president and weapons are not allowed on a federal site, he added."...
""

I bet Bobby Kennedy would have appreciated the irony of that comment.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:19 PM

""Camped out" must be a southern term"

Common Aussie term too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Alice
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:35 PM

"Camped out" means the same in the western states, too. Not just a southern term.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 09:41 PM

Well, well, well...

Seems that cmaping out doesn't have to involve camping equipement afterall???

So there ya' have it, Sawz... As fir yer latest attempt at playin' fact-checker-from-hell... Sorry, pal, but thinks you got an F...

But keep anaylizing everything I say and how I say it... Shoot, too bad Miss Gardner ain't around... She was the English-teacher-from-hell... Ya'll would hit off real well... Sho nuff would...

(Hey, Boberdz... How do you know that Ms. Gardener ain't around??? Maybe she is and like a 100 years old and maybe she visits this joint and maybe, jusy maybe, she is Sawz???)

Nah... I mean, she'd be more like 105 and that's a tad on the old side fir this joint... Or any joint, fir that matter...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 10 - 07:15 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 May 10 - 08:06 PM

Bruce, refreshing every thread that you think kind of corroborates your contention that we are equating the Tea Party with the KKK does not give credence to your opinion. If you'll notice, people spoke up in opposition to the notion. The straws you are grasping will not sustain you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 09:37 PM

Well, lets just lay out the facts... The Tea Party candidate who just won the Republican primary in Kentucy believes that business owners, such as Woolworths back a long time ago, have the right to deny service to anyone they don't ahppen to like for whatever reason??? Hmmmmmm??? For black folks who remember growing up in Jim Crow America the fact that there are that many Americans out there still who harbor these beliefs has to be terrifying...

Hey, I ain't black but I find it terrifying... I really thought we were a little further down the road... Guess not...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 21 May 10 - 10:57 PM

Shit, Bobert, you think [i]evidence[/i] matters in a shit-sling like bruce the hirsute prefers?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 10 - 11:02 PM

I donno, mouser...

I mean, I like Bruce but I think that he has some serious problems with living in these times... I think he should have been born a couple hundred years ago in the South into a prosperous white family...

But if I had my druthers, I'd have him born a couple hundred years ago into a slave family...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 May 10 - 04:56 AM

""LOL.....So Don, try this: Go to your mirror again and say "40 inch dick" and see what happens.""

Be fair Bobert.

BB has one of the finest minds of the twelfth century.

LOL
Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 10 - 08:10 AM

LOL, Don..


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:16 PM

Hmm. I looked up 12th Century smart guys on Wikipedia and his name didn't show. Could he be posting here under a pseudonym?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:49 PM

Listen, mouser... I know this is gonna be hard to digest but bruce is a here-an-now kinda guy... That means that unless he's has some Moses DNA in him that he prolly wasn't around in the 12th century... I know that is hard to believe but it's true... Hey, I know bruce and I don't think he's even 60 years old...

As for his politics??? Don't ask me??? I have a sneaky suspicion that he tunes in regularially to folks like Beck and Limbaugh who, like bruce ain't 8 or 9 hundred years old but have this kind Jim Crow/John Birch mindsets???

What I don't understand is how people can have those values... I mean, yeah, I understand some rich folks who just flay out greedy and don't want to pay taxes... That expalins Rush and Beck but, unless bruce is hiding somethin' (which he might be) I don't get it???

I get it with brain-dead rednecks, BTW... Give them 24/7 NASCAR on cable and Budweiser and they will do anything you wnat them to do...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 22 May 10 - 06:10 PM

"The Tea Party candidate who just won the Republican primary in Kentucy believes that business owners, such as Woolworths back a long time ago, have the right to deny service to anyone they don't ahppen to like for whatever reason???"    ~   B-pert

With support from the Tea Party folks, candidate Rand Paul won the Kentiucky GOP primary.

He is a novice in politics and seems to say exactly what he is thinking.

Some members of the public like that, but it will lead to him being roasted alive by professional politicians and their enablers in the professional news media.

What Rand Paul said, in response to what was probably a trap, was that the 1964 Civil Rights act was probably unconstitutional, although he fully supports the goals.

That is a libertarian position and goes with other libertarian views that drugs, alcohol, homosexuality, nudism, and a host of other issues are personal choices and not the job of the federal government to regulate.

Clubs that say "Blacks only" and Mexican restaurants that don't serve Gringos would be against the wishes of most Americans but not illegal under strict Constitutional interpretation. Mr. Paul's statement that business owners have the right to refuse service to people they don't like is probable correct according to the Constitution.

Perhaps we need a few free-thinkers in Congress to get some open debate back in the process.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 22 May 10 - 06:57 PM

Listen, mouser... I know this is gonna be hard to digest but bruce is a here-an-now kinda guy... That means that unless he's has some Moses DNA in him that he prolly wasn't around in the 12th century... I know that is hard to believe but it's true... Hey, I know bruce and I don't think he's even 60 years old...

No shit, Sherlock. Your irony meter broken?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 10 - 07:07 PM

"He is a novice in politics and seems to say exactly what he is thinking">/i>

He seems to have learned that from his father, who made it work in Texas to get noticed...but Kentucky is a bit different, and his pa weren't runnin' for Senator.

There is value in being honest and saying what you really believe, but as Republicans are s-l-o-w-l-y learning, you need to be careful how you say it until you get INTO office.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 10 - 07:52 PM

Yeah, mouse, I got it... Jus' funnin' a little with Bruce, Rush and Glen...

Now as fir you, Bill... I mean, you go and put me in the blender with bruce on another thread fir having the audacity to suggest that equating the Tea Party to the Kaln is equal to equatin' Obama to Hitler...

No, these repubs need to be called on their positions... Yeah, it's easy to say "Oabam is a socialist" or "We wnat our country back" but Paul was called on a ***position*** and he stepped up as if, "Hey, I'm just being truthfull so that makes me a good guy"... No. Mr. Paul, you are not a good guy... Good guys don't advocate seperation of the races... That is called racism, Sir!!!

That's the beef I have here with this thread and others like it... Seems that the left is being asked to quiet down... Seems too many folks willing to buy into the "BIG LIE* that both sides are out of order and need to calm down... No!!! One side, and ****only**** one side is out of order... The right thinks that they can use domestic terrorism to push their narrow agenda on everyone else... And since the assasination in the 60's they have purdy much had their way... I mean, they ever get away with strappin' on a gun and carring a sign that advocates taking a life at an Obama rally??? If the left did that they would be shot right there... But the right get away with it and the guy become a folk hero???

We has some very distorted views of what is really going on here... The right is out of control and now we hear on the left that we've been equally guilty??? I mean, that is as wrong as wrong can be... The left ain't out here threatenin' violence... There weren't no "Hang hims" about McCain during Obama's rallies... The left hasn't taken out Rush and Glen... The left hasn't taken out Strom and Dick Armey...

No, I ain't buyin' this crap for one minute...

The Republican Party needs to denounce violence in the sttongest terms... That means no Rep. Wilson trying to shout down the presdient in a speech before Congress... It means telling folks that it ain't okay to bring guns to Obama rallies... It means that it ain't okay to kill doctors... It means what it means!!! No more terrorism from their goons... No more lathering up their goons...

Ya'll want to talk policy then let's get it on... But no more terrorism...

And fir those of us on the left, no more apologies... We ain't doin' nuthin' wrong and we shoul;dn't have to cowtie to buying into the idea that there bad stuff happenin' on both sides... That is the ****BIBASS LIE**** of the century!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:45 AM

Is the Black Panther Party a Terrorist Organization??

Minister King Samir Malik Zulu Shabazz:

"You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

"I hate white people, all of them! Every last iota of a cracker, I hate 'em,"

"Through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore [expletive] on our arms. And we call ourselves black men with African garb on."

"What the hell is wrong with you black man? ...with a WHITE GIRL on your damn arm!"!

"You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

"I'm about the total destruction of white people."

"I hate white people."

"The only thing the cracker understands is violence."

"The only thing the cracker understands is gunpowder. You got to take violence to violence."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 03:31 PM

That stuff ain't mainstream, Sawz.... Might of fact, I have never heard any of that stuff... It ain't in the newspapers... It ain't on TV... It ain't like a "movement"... Sounds like one ol' 60's radical doing a rant... Lotta difference between on guy on the street corner rantin' and millions of folks thinkin' that somehow someone took their country away from them and they are now mad enough to think about "2nd Ammendment" solutions... That *is* a movement... Not burned out 60s crack head ranting...

The Black Panther Party ain't been squat since the early 70's... It was crushed by the same folks who would kill me if I showed up at a Bush rally with a "Tree of Liberty" sign and a gun: the cops!!!

They did it in Chicago... They di it in Oakland and Frank Rizzo's boys sho nuff did it in Philly... Crushed the Black Panthers like they were pesky bugs... Shot 'um dead in the bedrooms... Paraded them thru the streets nude...

No, once again you have put forth another patented oranges/apples arguement...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 03:56 PM

But Eric Holder is mainstream, and look how dangerous he is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM

Actually, the ugly side of the Black Panthers was clear to the publisher of Ramparts Magazine by the early 1970s...

                                                                               whole article here

"...I suggested a solution. Betty Van Patter, who was already doing the books for the Learning Center, might be of help in handling the general accounts. This was to be my last act of assistance to the Party. The crises of the fall had piled on one another in such swift succession, that I was unable to assess the toll they were taking. But in November, an event occurred that pushed me over the edge.

There had been a second teen dance, and this time there was a shooting. A Panther named Deacon was dead. His assailant, a black youth of 16, was in the county hospital. When I phoned Elaine to ask what had happened, she exploded in the kind of violent outpouring I had become used to by then, blaming the disaster on "the police and the CIA." This stock paranoia was really all I needed to hear. (Years later, I learned from other Panthers that the shooting had been over drugs, which the Party was dealing from the school.)

When I walked into the school auditorium where Deacon lay in state (there is really no other term for the scene in front of me), I suddenly saw the real Party to which I had closed my eyes to for so long. Of course, the children were there, as were their parents and teachers, but dominating them and everything else physically and symbolically was the honor guard of Panther soldiers in black berets, shotguns alarmingly on display. And, added to this spectacle, mingling with the mourners, there were the unmistakable gangster types, whose presence had suddenly become apparent to me after Elaine took over the Party: 'Big Bob,' Perkins, Aaron, Ricardo, Larry. They were fitted in shades and Bogarts and pinstripe suits, as though waiting for action on the set of a B crime movie. In their menacing faces there was no reflection of political complexity such as Huey was so adept at projecting, or of the benevolent community efforts like the breakfast for children programs that the Center provided.

Underneath all the political rhetoric and social uplift, I suddenly realized was the stark reality of the gang. I remember a voice silently beating my head, as I sat there during the service, tears streaming down my face: "What are you doing here, David?" it screamed at me. It was my turn to flee.

Betty did not attend the funeral, and if she had would not have been able to see what I saw. Moreover, she and I had never had the kind of relationship that inspired confidences between us. As my employee, she never really approved of the way Peter and I ran Ramparts. For whatever reasons — perhaps a streak of feminist militancy — she didn't trust me.

Just as a precaution, I had warned Betty even before Deacon's funeral not to get involved in any part of the Party or its functioning that she didn't feel comfortable with. But Betty kept her own counsel. In one of our few phone conversations, I mentioned the shooting at the dance. She did not take my remark further.

Later it became obvious that I hadn't really known Betty. I had counted to some extent on her middle class scruples to keep her from any danger zones she encountered in Panther territory. But this too was an illusion. She had passions that prompted her to want a deeper involvement in what she also perceived as their struggle against oppression.

There was another reason I did not express my growing fears to Betty. The more fear I had the more I realized that it would not be okay for me to voice such criticism, having been so close to the operation. To badmouth the Party would be tantamount to treason. I had a wife and four children, who lived in neighboring Berkeley, and I would not be able to protect them or myself from Elaine's wrath.

There were other considerations in my silence, too. What I had seen at the funeral, what I knew from hearsay and from the press were only blips on a radar screen that was highly personal, dependent on my own experience to read. I had begun to know the Panther reality, at least enough to have a healthy fear of Elaine. But how could I convey this knowledge to someone who had not been privy to the same things I had? How could I do it in such a way that they would believe me and not endanger me? Before fleeing, my Panther friends had tried to warn me about Huey through similar signs, and I had failed to understand. My ignorance was dangerous to them and to myself. Finally, only the police had ever accused the Panthers of actual crimes. Everyone I knew and respected on the left — and beyond the left — regarded the police allegations against the Panthers as malicious libels by a racist power structure bent on holding down and eliminating militant black leadership. It was one of the most powerful liberal myths of the times.1

One Friday night, a month or so after Deacon's funeral, a black man walked into the Berkeley Square, a neighborhood bar that Betty frequented, and handed her a note. Betty, who seemed to know the messenger, read the note and left shortly afterwards. She was never seen alive again..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ref
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:14 PM

The New Black Panther Party has nothing to do with that of the sixties. By the way, it has now been revealed that the decision to drop the investigation against these dumbasses was made well before the Obama administration took office.

Most of the "scandals" of the Obama administration (ie, NBPP, ACORN, etc) are just right wing fictions that the MSM is too damned lazy to research and debunk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 06:04 PM

the ugly side of the Black Panthers was clear to the publisher of Ramparts Magazine by the early 1970s...

Wake up, asshole- the 1970's was 40 years ago.


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 06:13 PM

Yeah, Greg F, I find it incredulous that anyone would use the Black Panthers as an argument that the "left" is as guilty as the "right" in assholish behavior... Ain't so but the Repub will throw that dung at the wall anyway hopin', like the rest of their lies, that it will stick...

Kinda surprised that no one, other than me, has brought up Frank "The Shank" Rizzo... He was a real piece of work...

B~


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 03:09 AM

Wake up guys, do you still think that a fair society will evolve politically from the mess we see at the moment?

In the UK, the National Health Service is being effectively privatised and handed over to multi national corporations, other attacks on the standard of living of the very poorest are in the pipeline, via VAT rises and stealth taxes.

All because Capitalism fucked up and the result gives them the excuse to futher tighten the screw.

At least Sarah and her party are talking about radical solutions, while the left whistles into the wind.

Regardless of Obama's rhetoric, "change" will never ge presented to us by any politician, and certainly not by a man groomed by the system, like Mr Obama.
"Change" has to be fought for, the capitalists would call that fight terrorism, but to fight at all we need to be united.

There is something in Mrs Palin and the movement which supports her, which echos all that is great about the US. Dont waste your only chance.


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 03:51 AM

Regardless of what some here may think, political orientation is no more genetic than sexual orientation.......Mrs Palin will be what the US wants her to be.....a catalyst for "change".

And most importantly, a strong gutsy woman!


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From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 10:02 AM

Right, Ake... Let's just put that mental midget of a strong gutsy woman in charge... Great thinkin' on yer part... That oughtta be 'nuff to end everyone's misery...

BTW, we're gonna respectfully have to ask ya' fir a little pee sample, por favor... Here's the cup... You know the drill... No, not "drill, baby, drill" drill... The other drill... No be a good Ake and just pee in the cup, will ya'???

B;~)


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From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 10:04 AM

Why am I not surprised!


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From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 10:12 AM

Now it seems like the NAACP has become a terrorist organization.


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 11:36 AM

Ah Bob my ole friend.....I like your sense of humour.

But with Mrs Palin as Pres it would be possible at last to break the stranglehold of the "one party system" and free the American people, something which will never happen through the existing political channels. Us lefties may find ourselves in an uncomfortable possition for a few years.....but change will come.

Seems to me, Sarah is saying the kind of things which will enable her to strike for power.
Once there she will mould herself,as a populist, to what the majority want her to be.....thats where the American people come in, do they want to gamble on their last chance for meaningful change, or are they content to piss and whine?

I have faith in America....god knows why, but I think they are naive enough still to believe they can defeat the forces of darkness!

We in the UK, by contrast,are so cynical and fucked up, as to be beyond helping ourselves.


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 11:39 AM

Ebbie baby, what have you found to be not surprised about, today? :0)


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 11:56 AM

Rigs: "Now it seems like the NAACP has become a terrorist organization."

Jeez! The way things are going, even Mudcatters will be thought to be a 'Terrorist organization'.....best to stick with music!

Hey, Akenaton, nice to see you on, again!..Been sorta' busy working in the studio, and doing a few gigs!...(or for the elitists, 'gigues').

Regards,

GfS


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 01:36 PM

Hi Sanity.....Always nice to see you....wish I could hear some of your work. Knowing you, its bound to be interesting! :0)


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From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:02 PM

The idea of Sarah Palin as President gives me (and most people I know) cold chills! And puts us to seriously contemplating emigration if it should actually happen.

She is an arch-conservative, is a member of a Pentacostal church (and is one of those who wants to "restore" America as a "Christian nation"—despite the First Amendment), is vigorously opposed to any kind of gun control, wants to throw the Alaska wilderness (including national parks) open to unrestricted oil drilling, opposes any and all environmental regulations, and enjoys the sport of shooting wolves from a low-flying plane (without wolves, Alaska would be ass-deep in caribou, among other things much less innocuous), and she has proven her general failure to grasp reality by opposing any kind of sex education in schools other than counseling kids to abstain—a policy which, as we have seen, worked very well with her daughter, Bristol!

The woman is a political catastrophe and a mental pretzel!

But then, if your idea is that the United States needs to hit rock-bottom before people will wake up and start thinking intelligently, then that would be one route to go.

Don Firth


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:28 PM

Real change has always come through emotional commitment, bravery and selfless stupidity, rather than "intelligent thought" Don.
Most people are incapable of "intelligent thought"....there is a big wide world out there, Mudcat does not represent that world.

If we were capable of "intelligent thought" would we allow ourselfs to be serially fucked by the corporations and political factions who rule us?........for example, the "financial crisis" and the kicking we are about to receive because of it?


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:44 PM

and a whole series of wars, in which mainly the children of the poor were butchered to "save" a parasitical system.

If we had been "thinking intelligently" we would have kept those children safe at home.


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From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:47 PM

"...emotional commitment, bravery and selfless stupdity..."... Hmmmmm??? Same ingrediaents that has brought mankind most every war that has ever been started... Nevermind...

Ahhhh, as for our terribly messed up corporatology... The way they got there is having the money to buy the government... Didn't take mush more than that and thden they let the government do their dirty work fir them...

B~


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From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 05:03 PM

Yes thats what I mean Bobert.....these emotions can be used in the interests of our masters...always have been.

This time lets use them in our own interests!


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From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 05:05 PM

Righto, Ake and...

...300!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:06 PM

What you say is pretty true, Ake, but should Palin get in as President, the expression "seriously fucked" would take on a whole new dimension heretofore undreamed of.

But most people are capable of intelligent thought, although sometimes you have to push them to some pretty wild extremes to get them to dust it off and use it. Now, Sarah would do that for a lot of relatively comatose people. Including a lot of her supporters!! ("EEK!! What was I thinking--if at all!???")

But by then, the country would be in a shambles and the corporations would have far more of a strangle-hold than they do now, and that would be going some!! The Constitution would, in effect, have been run through the shredder!

No. Not a good way to go.

Don Firth

P. S. If Sarah were the first woman President of the United States, I can guarantee you that it would set women's rights back a good two centuries and it would be one helluva long time before any other woman, no matter how brilliant, well qualified, and deserving she might be, would be elected.


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From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:52 PM

Yeah, Don, that's about the way I see it, too...

Sarah might be centerfold material but she ain't White House material...

But back to this "intellegent thought" stuff... It's hard to ascertain how much "intellegent thought" is out there in the masses because they have been fed such a full diet of misinformation by the right that I'm sure that lots of them think they are being intellegent but without the proper knowledge base it's being wasted...

Like they say, "garbage in, garbage out"... Don't blame the middle man...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 09:21 PM

...most people are capable of intelligent thought...

Not so's you'd notice. What evidence can you cite for this assertion?


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From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 09:31 PM

Ronald Reagan's speech writer was able to do it.


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From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 10:42 PM

Ronnie wasn't...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 01:25 AM

I've been reading some of the Comments following political news stories and if most of the writers reflect our people as a whole, there is, frankly, no hope for us. Peasantry, in its day, created better minds. At least, that is how I'm thinking these days.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 03:19 AM

Out here, in Sanity-Land, methinks that all this worry about Sarah Palin, being the next President, comes from those who think that Obama must have REALLY fucked up, to create that kind of backlash!...................but then, ........he sure has!

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 08:24 AM

Like I've said before about Sarah... Centerfold material and not much else... Oh, except she is very entertaining...

B~


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From: mousethief
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:46 AM

If you can't come up with a better centerfold doing a google images search, it's time to give up sex and become a monk on a desert island somewhere.


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From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 08:37 PM

Now wait a minute, mouser... I didn't say she was the hottest ol' gal on the planet... All I siad is that she would make better centerfold material than presidential material... Which, BTW, might not be saying that she's not hot at all... But, fir the record, she's purdy hot fir her age...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 09:25 PM

Reminds me of a friend of mine. He saw this woman in a restaurant, sitting in a booth with a friend. Really good looking. Verging on gorgeous. In fact, she was beautiful! Hot!!

He sat there adoring her.

"Then," he said, "she opened her mouth. . . ."

Don Firth


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From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:01 PM

Bad breath and black teeth are really hard to deal with!


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From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:36 PM

BTW, seems like the Republican Party is having this little discussion about whether it's best to just do the Tea Party thing which is to criticize everything that the Dems are doin' or stepping out front with their own ideas...

Seems like the Tea Party strategy is winnin' out so don't look for much more that "we want out country back" bullshit between here and November...

Meanwhile, grandma was beatin' off the Indians...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 10:58 PM

He couldn't smell her breath from where he sat and her teeth looked okay.

But he could hear what she was saying and she managed to reveal in only a few sentences that she had been born without a brain.

Don Firth

P. S. Sometimes, I guess, you have to draw a picture. . . .


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From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jul 10 - 08:18 AM

She must have been a Democrat, I suppose!


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From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 10 - 04:20 PM

No, she was an arch-conservative Democrat-hater wearing an "America for Americans Only" button, which our hero hadn't noticed at first.

Don Firth


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From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 07:25 AM

Doesn't sound like your friend is very inclusive.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 02:30 PM

Didn't know what thread to post this on....so I guess this will do...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

GfS


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 02:33 PM

soory, my last post, forgot the 'blue clicky'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 03:58 PM

Not inclusive, Rig? Well, I dunno. Like any normal male, he responded in the usual manner to a physically attractive young woman (I believe Nature programs us that way). But when one finds that that physically attractive woman has all the intelligence and personality of the common garden slug, it tends to replace one's ardor with a certain measure of revulsion.

He does have a thing about really stupid people. Especially if their stupidity is voluntary.

But my friend has no particular prejudices against Hispanics or other immigrants taking menial or hard-labor jobs that no one else wants to "lower themselves" to do, no matter how essential these jobs are to our society.

Yeah. He's a pretty inclusive guy. Certainly compared to some.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 05:36 PM

Would he take a non-essential job away from an immigrant?


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From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 08:35 PM

Well, he was an artist. Some people might consider that "non-essential." I don't, but some might.

Would you risk your health and well-being by braving a cloud of pesticides while spend dawn to dusk seven days a week harvesting apples, grapes, asparagus, et al, while getting paid something like two-bits for every bushel basket you can fill?

Do you eat, apples, grapes, asparagus?

Who will harvest this stuff if Hispanic immigrants either won't do it or are not allowed to do it? Nobody I know.

Swabbing out toilets in public rest rooms for minimum wage? Sometimes way less than minimum wage?

Would you?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 09:04 PM

"Would you risk your health and well-being by braving a cloud of pesticides while spend dawn to dusk seven days a week harvesting apples, grapes, asparagus, et al, while getting paid something like two-bits for every bushel basket you can fill?"


                  No reason to, we have machines to do that. The problem is, the illegals work so cheap it doesn't pay to run the machines. Pay ten-cents a pound more for tomatoes, and save millions in property taxes going to educate non-English speaking students.


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From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jul 10 - 11:15 PM

Machines can't harvest strawberries. And many other crops.


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From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 07:59 AM

Yeah, there are limits to what fruits and veggies can be harvested with machines... Most of what we see in the produce sections are things that machines cannot harvest...

Farmer Bobert


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From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 10:28 AM

Well, machines used to harvest grapes, but since the wages for farm labor went so low, the harverters have been parked and many of the manufacterers have gone out of business.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 12:31 PM

First of all, stop trying to define what OTHER people are willing to do for work! A man who is providing for his family might do just about anything. The natural citizens of any country should be able to choose that, and not have it 'decided' for them, by the political lunatics trying to further an already stupid agenda!!

Fact: Borders are borders...and borders are borders for a reason. Why not wander into your neighbors house and do or take what you want??...and before you get all dishonestly 'indignant', ANSWER the question!

You earned what you earned for your house...what entitles anyone else to just go help themselves???

This argument is at best, blatantly dishonest, and another bunch of bullshit, trying to masquerade, as 'progressively hip', and pro humanitarian. This argument amounts to nothing more than lame excuses, that end up weakening our country's security and economy! There is nothing wrong or immoral with immigrants, doing that work, LEGALLY, and a government enforcing its laws and borders.

This crap has been going on under both party's administrations...the biggest problem is some of you lemmings never asked 'WHY'!...but rather just parrot some talking points, of morons of questionable motives!

Hey man, duhhh, just deluge 14-15 million schleps, into anywhere, without a fucking ounce of accountability as to the IMPACT that brings on an infrastructure, economy, or well being of EVERYONE affected, and then try to come off as a 'humanitarian good guy'???
In fact, you're a short sighted ASS

GfS!


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From: KB in Iowa
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 02:25 PM

Meanwhile back at the Ranch...

Blue Clicky

Iowa billboard linking Obama, Hitler removed


An Iowa tea party group on Wednesday replaced a billboard comparing President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin, calling the sign a bad decision that reflected poorly on the organization.

Workers papered over the sign in downtown Mason City at the request of the North Iowa Tea Party.

"We got it covered up first thing this morning," said Kent Beatty, the general manager of the company that owns the billboard.

The roughly 200-member tea party group had the original sign put up last week. It showed photographs of Obama, Nazi leader Hitler and communist leader Lenin beneath the labels "Democrat Socialism," "National Socialism," and "Marxist Socialism."

After the billboard drew sharp criticism by other state and national tea party leaders, members of the local group sought the change.

North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson said he and other leaders agreed with critics that the image of Obama between Hitler and Lenin was offensive. He said the images overwhelmed the intended message of anti-socialism.

"They are absolutely right in their criticism because the image of Hitler just totally wiped everything else and it misrepresents the tea party movement," Johnson said. "They were right from the standpoint that the image was not a positive reflection on the tea people."

Johnson said Hitler images are usually not allowed at North Iowa Tea Party gatherings.

Removal of the sign was welcomed by the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, a New York-based group.

The North Iowa Tea Party "acted properly in removing the grotesquely offensive sign which should never have been put up in the first place. Had they not acted to remove it they would have severely damaged the credibility of legitimate political causes they espouse," the group said in a statement. "We ask that political groups do not trivialize our suffering in the future by making false analogies with Hitler's horrendous crimes."

For now, the sign has been plastered over with one urging people to notify officials before digging.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 03:56 PM

Because if they dig too deep they might find out the truth about Democrats?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM

Interesting take Rig. Care to comment on the actual subject of my post?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:51 AM

Sure, the were making the most of the word "Socialist."
National Socialist, and etc. The have Obama pegged as a socialist, so why not compare him to socialists of the past.

             I don't know why Americans pay so much attention to Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants. It was something that happened in Europe.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:30 AM

Why not?

Because the very last thing Pres. Obama is, is a socialist.

Just more lies, stupidity, ignorance and bullshit: the Four Horsemen of the TeaBagger Apocalypse.

They also need to review the political philisophies of Adolf & Vladimir-
the "socialist" label is so broad as to be meaningless applied to those two.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM

Bingo Greg F.
The Tea Bag morons (and Faux News, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.) are reacting to a word with no understanding of it at all.
Perhaps they should mount a campaign comparing National Car Rental to the Nazis (National Socialist Party).
This would make every bit as much sense.

Perhaps they should also compare National Velvet to The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:44 AM

Don't give thewm any new ideas, TIA... I mean, these people are insanly out of touch with any reality and I really don't think they see and BIGASS LIE as *too big* to tell...

I blame the FCC for most of this... When they decided that the public air waves weren't realy "public" and sold them off to the highest bidder that allowed corporations with agendas to buy them up and put out false information in the name of "news"... Now the toothpaste is out of the tube and we ain't gonna ever get it back in and the FOX/corportist/complex has succeeded in brainwashing enough people who are willing to do the "brownshirting" for Fox and its right winged corporte partners...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:19 AM

Well, I agree with you, TIA, on their use of the word "socialist." I was just reacting to KB's request.

                The question that needs to be asked, is seems to me, is: How did American's get so dumb?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:28 AM

Good question, Rigs... But dumb is in... Has been for going on a couple decades now... Daddy Bush started it with his class warfare and Junior picked right up where his dad left off... Now the in thing among the dumbed down is to ridicule as "elitists" anyone who bothered to get an education... Throw in the last 8 years of flat-earth scientists being the voices of the Bush administartion and dumb policies on stem cell research and now even this anti-immigration movement and we're seein' a major brain drain as intellegent and educated people are either not coming here to work or leaving to work... Either way... The dumb are winning... I quess you call it winning???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:00 AM

Just for the record I need to respond to this: "I don't know why Americans pay so much attention to Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants. It was something that happened in Europe."

Rig, are you really that stupid? I hadn't thought so.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:04 AM

The Holocaust that happened in North America happened to the American Indians. Of course, they don't own newspapers and television networks, and...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:15 AM

Rig, are you saying we should only concern ourselves with things that happen/happened in North America and not about what happens/happened in the rest of the world?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:18 AM

I'm saying we should pay attention to innocent victims.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:20 AM

"I'm saying we should pay attention to innocent victims."

" I don't know why Americans pay so much attention to Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants. It was something that happened in Europe."

That is not what this sounds like.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:44 AM

Unless you can prove that Dick Army and the multi national corporations which he serves are terrorists, you can't prove the tea party is a terrorist organization.


Don, how about a Palin Beck ticket for hot and cold chills?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:38 PM

"Johnson said Hitler images are usually not allowed at North Iowa Tea Party gatherings."

Check out the adverb!

Rig: The question that needs to be asked, is seems to me, is: How did American's get so dumb?

Republicans cutting school budgets.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:44 PM

"The Holocaust that happened in North America happened to the American Indians." Rig

Not even close. I'm beginning to understand you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jayto
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:30 PM

I disagree with the Tea Party. I am glad to see people get vocal and show their digust in how things are going though. Even if I disagree with alot they are saying and basically think alot of them are just puppets that are too blind or emotional to see they are being used as puppets. As far as terrorists no I don't think that. I know I am not scared at all by any of them. The more I see and hear statements that are threatening or violent and aimed at "Liberals" the more I stand up and proclaim myself a Liberal. They are running off alot of moderates though in my opinion. I have considered myself a moderate for years. I really dont think anyone with a mind in use can just say they are liberal on every subject or conservative on every issue. If someone threatens me or makes me take a stand bc of harsh words or threats I will pick a side. The side I pick will be the opposite of the person trying to scare me to their side. I feel the Tea Baggers (yep) are trying to do this. I support them voicing their opinions and organizing. I don't agree with them but I am happy they are doing it. I will no succomb to threats or fear though. There are a bunch of people out there that feel the same. You are always going to have people that are "over the top" in any movement. I oppose alot of what the Tea Party says and their actions but I support them being able to do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:31 PM

Let's see, wiping out the bison and leaving the Indians out on the plains to starve and freeze to death was not even close.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:52 PM

Nope, Rig. Not even close.

What the States did to the American Indians was invasion and conquest, actions that have happened since time immemorial, actions that all governments and political bodies understand.

What happened in the Holocaust was far, far different.

The Holocaust involved government spotlighting some of their own people: Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, mentally ill people, old people, crippled people, and attempting to eradicate them. It is a betrayal of the worst sort when your own country turns on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:57 PM

I guess we see these events differently.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:59 PM

"The Holocaust that happened in North America happened to the American Indians." Rig

Not even close. I'm beginning to understand you.

They were not the same of course but I wouldn't say they were not even close. Both involved efforts to intentionally wipe out populations of fellow humans.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:19 PM

The head of the United Farm Workers, a very benign fellow, was on Colbert last week. They have a program called "Take Our Jobs" aimed at those who claim illegal immigrants (who do the majority of the crop and farm labor in areas like the Salinas and San Joaquin Valleys and Arizona) are taking American jobs. They offer an open invitation to Americans to come and work in the fields doing the jobs that illegal immigrants do. This should produce a lot of action, ione would think, considering the national unemployment statistics.

So far they have had THREE (count 'em--3!) takers.

Colbert was buffaloed into agreeing to try it, too! His first question: "Is there air conditioning?"


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:36 PM

And I'd bet of those 3 that none of them are still in thr fields...

That's one of the things, among many, the Tea Party folks really don't get... Might of fact, I'd love to see a panel of them on TV being asked questions about current events, civics, economics and government to see just what it is that these folks ****do*** get???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:43 PM

Of course, if they were breaking rocks with twelve pound hammers cheaper than rock could be produced in a rock-crusher, and somebody came along and said, "Take our jobs."

          The response would be, "What's the point?"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:45 PM

Try this one on for size.

If the tea baggers, with the attitudes they have displayed so far, and the kind of people they support, were time machined back a couple of centuries, would they be trying to protect the Indians from "Manifest Destiny?" Or would they be right in there, shoving them off their ancestral lands and murdering those who were reluctant to leave?

As brutal as some of the Manifest Destiny bunch were, at least they were not running actual murder factories.

Don Firth

P. S. The last time I was up around the Tulalip Indian Reservation (some forty miles north of where I live), I didn't notice that there were, or ever had been, any gas chambers there. And nobody is stopping anyone from leaving the reservation if they want to (in fact, many do). And--there are a couple of casinos on the reservation, however, and it looks to me like they're doing pretty darned well at fleecing the tourists!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:54 PM

Of course, if they were breaking rocks with twelve pound hammers cheaper than rock could be produced in a rock-crusher, and somebody came along and said, "Take our jobs."

          The response would be, "What's the point?"


But that is not what they were doing.

I believe you have said before that machines could harvest the crops as well as and cheaper than people can but in many cases that is not true. In some cases where it is true it is still not automatically desirable. Tomatoes can be harvested mechanically. In order to do this and still get something on the shelves that people will buy a type of tomato had to be developed that could withstand the rigors. They are notoriously tasteless.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:02 PM

Then you have to pay more for an up-scale tomatoe. That's a lot cheaper than supporting a bunch of farm workers in the off-season, and their children, and their aged parents, and, and, and, and...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:13 PM

Perhaps you can explain something for me, Rig.

Suppose you were looking for a job picking asparagus, apples, lettuce, or whatever. What difference would it really make to you if the jobs you looking for were already filled by either an immigrant farm worker or a machine?

The job has already been filled in either case.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:19 PM

Now there's that logic thing again, Don. That's just not wanted here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:35 PM

Yeah, mouse. Futile.

Bad habit of mine. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:07 PM

"Perhaps you can explain something for me, Rig."


       Of course, the job goes to the lowest bidder. The employer doesn't have to take into account such things as school budgets, food stamps, welfare, emergency room expenses, SSI to aged parents, illegaly gained unemployment compensation, and things that become stolen around the community, because the taxpayer picks up the tab for those things.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:59 PM

Here's a clue for you, Rig.

The employer has to pay taxes too, so he also pays for that litany of sins you complain about.

It's a wash.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:36 PM

It's not anywhere near a wash, Don. The employer pays a little fraction of what it costs to support all of these illegal people, but he reaps huge benefits. An organic farmer who does all of his own work has to pay for the corporate farmer's greed and gets no benefit from it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:42 PM

Brad Hatter - Tea Party candidate ;,)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:43 PM

Actually, that's Had Matter. Had the fate of the country mattered, everyone would have supported the Tea Party.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:10 PM

Nah, Rigs... They wouldn't... There was a time in our country's history were most white folk didn't give a second thought about slavery being immoral and inhuman... The Tea Party is the new 'n improved KKK... No two ways about it...

But yeah, if ya' go back a couple hundred years the Tea Party would fit right in...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:43 PM

Going on for easily the past thirty years now, Seattle has needed to upgrade its transit system. Three times now, the voters have voted for a monorail system. Not just the iconic Seattle monorail that runs from Westlake Square downtown the mile-and-a-half to the Seattle Center, but one that serves the entire city and nearby communities.

One of the many advantages of a monorail is that existing streets are usable even when the pylons and overhead tracks are being put in. And when it's finished, rather than buses or surface rail taking up space and adding to the street congestion, the monorail trains run overhead, above the street traffic. And monorails cost the taxpayers a mere fraction of what surface rail systems cost, both to install and to maintain, especially if the surface rail system involves any tunnels.

Another advantage of a monorail system is that, if it is eventually found that it doesn't serve commuters all that well, the overhead rails can be remove and the pylons dug up (with minimum impact on the surrounding area while it is being done), and they can be moved and installed somewhere else. If a surface light rail system complete with subways doesn't do what it's supposed to do (as is the case with such a system in Los Angeles), you're just bloody well stuck with it!

And three times now, the will of the voters has been ignored. Currently being built is a combination surface and subway system, involving digging a tunnel under the Lake Washington ship canal and under Capitol Hill. This involves building subway stations along the way. And not more than a half-dozen city blocks from where I live, a two block area, the former site of several businesses that served the neighborhood, has been condemned. There is currently a massive hole there where a subway station, complete with elevators to the tunnel below, is being built. $$$$$$ and more $$$$$$!!

There's one helluva lot of corruption in there somewhere!!

Now, while all this is going on, there is a big dispute over replacing the I-90 waterfront viaduct, which was damaged in the Nisqually earthquake nine-and-a-half years ago. Although it is still being used, it's deemed unsafe. And God help anyone driving on it should another earthquake hit, which in this seismically active zone, is sure to happen sooner or later.

Rebuild the viaduct? Tear it down and replace it with 1) a surface highway along the waterfront? Or 2) a tunnel, which would allow free access to all the shops, restaurants, and other facilities on the shores of Elliot Bay? But this tunnel would require building a new sea wall. And suppose you're driving through the tunnel when that inevitable earthquake occurs and a fractured sea wall allows Elliot Bay to come roaring in?

All of these options, except for the surface highway, which is currently being ignored, involve, to quote the late Carl Sagan, "billions and billions" of taxpayer dollars.

In the meantime Seattle and environs is frequently in the throes of massive traffic gridlock.

Any solution is going to impact the taxpayers severely.

And Seattle is not the only city to experience problems of this nature. Or unique problems of their own that involve massive amounts of funding to solve.

And you will note that I'm not even mentioning the national budget. And the Military. . . .

I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of FDR-style "socialist" regulation being applied to the miscreants, both in the legislatures (both local and national), and in business, who push for the most expensive systems they can peddle so they can line their pockets with taxpayer's money.

This is why, if Emilio and Maria Rodriquez, unregistered immigrants, have to take their eight-year-old daughter, Teresa, to a hospital emergency room because their worried about her sore throat, and Medicare has to pick up the tab because they don't have insurance and they don't make that much (he's a gardener and she cleans houses), I don't really sweat it all that much.

Concentrating one's complaints on little folks like this is a bit like spending one's time and energy swatting at flies while lions and tigers and bears (oh, my!) are raging throughout the land!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:02 PM

Very well put, Don...

There is no sanity left in our policies.... It's all about corruption... Why do you think that Dick Armey's lobby/PR folks organized the Tea Party in the first place??? Well, to the grunts, i.e. the actual Tea Party folks it because Obama is this or that and the elitists are callin' us rednecks...

But when you strip away who is using whom and fir what purpose??? This is 100% about the Repubs getting back to the big money... Nothin' else on the planet... The corporations are in complete control of the money...

So, the Repubs right now would marry up with the SS, to go along with their marryin' up with the radical right Tea Party, if it means gettin back to the big dough...

This is 100% about money right now as far as the Repubs are concerned and let's not forget what money was used to orgainize the Tea Party in the first place...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:44 PM

As time moves on there are several certainties regarding the tea party;

One is that the extreme right wing swing of their political pendulum will move toward the center.

Second, they will still not attract as many independants as they predict.

Third, while less certain, if the republicans do gain a house majority, the 30 odd members of the tea party Congressional Caucus will become the killer pit bull pet of the Republicans to create things like a House Unamerican Activity Commitee to demonize suspected Socialists while the Republicans will pretend plausible deniability to tea party deeds. In other words the right will not be satisfied with teaching once and for all that America is made of, by and for the rich, they will feel a need to punish the non believers.

Fourth, the tea party will NEVER put their money where thier mouths are regarding no deficit spending. Otherwise the wars would be the first thing cut, and that is of course anathma to the Republican military contractor complex.





When the right gets on a roll they have proven they have no brakes so
"IF" I were to really go out on a predition limb, the birther members of the House of representatives will be given a new veneer of power as they will claim their case is finally proven with new Congressional investigations by a division of HLS instead of the GAO.
They may even insist upon deportation for the Obama family for the rest of their lives. Also if any attack upon the US is successful the right will foam at their mouths for a full lock down police state mode. IT seems an attack on the US is actually on some Republican wish lists.


PS Bobert you really seem to be getting your 'Liberal freak' on. Good for you!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:53 AM

You'll NEED to read this one!!!!
   
    It'll effect your check next year, no matter who you are!!!!!
    Oh:   and thomas.gov is a REAL government website!!!!!! too
    YOU MAY WANT TO READ THIS! IT MAY AFFECT YOUR BOTTOM LINE NEGATIVELY NEXT TAX PERIOD.

    I contacted my Congressman about House bill HR 3590, the health care bill. I asked for a summary of changes.
   
    The Aid directed me to go to www.thomas.gov http://www.thomas.gov%3chttp/thomas.gov/; enter HR 3590 in the search box and look for summaries.
   
    Starting in 2011 (next year folks) your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or Governmental body of some sort.
    If you're retired? So what; your gross WILL go up by the amount of insurance you get.
   
    You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen.
   
    Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.
   
    For many it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.

    This is how the government is going to buy insurance for 15 % that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

    Not believing this, I researched the summaries and here's what I'm reading:
      On page 25 of 29:
      TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET      
    PROVISIONS - (sec. 9001, as modified by sec. 10901) Sec.9002. "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income."

    Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters. Go to Kiplinger's and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is what I just told you about.

    I hope you forward this to every single person in your address book. People have the right to know the truth because an election is coming in November and we need to vote in Conservatives that will repeal this horrid law!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Melissa
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:04 AM

snopes, tax increase/health insurance


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:42 AM

Melissa, I love you.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:00 AM

More Tea Party misinformation shot down in flames...

Here one, however, that seems to be true... Ya' ll all know who Michelle Baughman is, I'm sure... Yeah, she is a representastiove from a highly gerrymandered distict and is safe as yesterday doing any whacko thing she wants in terms of getting re-elected so...

...she has orgainized a Tea Party Caucus in the House of Representative!!! No kidding!!! She started with 6 Republican reps and is up to 36 of the 150 or so in the House...

Boy, I'd like to sit in on one of their meetings... Wonder if they hang the Hitler/Obama poster up and chant hang him in their meetings???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:21 AM

Okay Melissa's post says exactly what Sanity says is says. Is there a mystery here?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:43 AM

Andrew Breitbart is certainly a terrorist.
He was completely willing to very publicly destroy a civilian non-combatant in order to make a political statement.
The very definition of a Terrorist.
And Faux News has a history of aiding and abetting this terrorist.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:09 AM

Yeah, TIA... Reckon folks who have never considered what it musta been like to be a black person in the Jim Crow South won't have a clue but...

...yeah, if ya' know that people are out there who are on Boss Hog's payrolll and their only job is to take yer life's work and twist it in a manner that makes you look like a monster then that has to be terribly terrorizin'... I mean, for black folks who are old enogh to rmember Jim Crow I'm sure there is alot of "Oh shit, I thought we were past that" thinkin'... I mean, it's only natural...

Personally, I don't think too many white people get this because they haven't spent enough time with black people to have a knowledge base that let's them fully understand the lingerin' effects of a hundred years of Jim Crow... Hey, I've spent alot of my life working with and around black folks and would like to think I have an understanding but no one really can understand it if they don't have some history livin' in fear...

Maybe this will become a teachable incident but the probklem is that the folks who are doing the terrorizing (like playground bullies) don't see themselves as part of the problem and are the very ones who won't allow themselves to learn anything from it but...

...quite the opposite... They are allready lining up with their usual poor-victim-me rationalizations and alibis... Normal...

Yeah, I think we are way past due to have that discussion on race that Bill Clionton tried to get going back in '96... There are way too many folks out there who are clueless...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:28 AM

Rig, did you read beyond the complaint? Snopes goes on to analyze the charge and delivers a verdict: FALSE.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:41 AM

Don't clutter poor ol' Rigs head with facts, Eb... I'm not too sure what has happened to Rigs but he/she has certainly taken a sharp turn to the right... Way right, too... That means that facts are no longer relevant...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:17 PM

'Right' certainly doesn't mean 'Correct', these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:39 PM

I was thinkin' about that just a little while ago, Eb... Seems that the right (Repubs) have become the party of liars... Bush lied to US and got US in a really expensive and immoral war...

Now we have a string of lies being told over and over by the right (Repubs) as they try to lie their way back into power...

The sad thing is that the American people are either too busy or too dumbed down to have a clue that they are being feed a steady diet of mythology from the right (Repubs)...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:18 PM

"Rig, did you read beyond the complaint?"


            You're right, Ebbie, I missed it the first time, but it looks like what you don't pay in additional taxes you'll make up for in higher deductables, so what is gained?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 07:32 PM

Are college professors a terrorist organization?

"Now how do I know that the white people know that we are going to come up with a solution to the problem. I know it because they have retina scans, racial profiling, DNA banks, and they're monitoring our people to try to prevent the ONE person from coming up with the ONE idea. And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve the problem. *applause* Now I don't care whether you clap or not but I'm saying to you that we need to solve this problem because they are going to kill us. And I will leave on that. So we just have to set up our own system and stop playing and get very serious and not get diverted from coming up with a solution to the problem and the problem on the planet is white people."

Dr. Kamau Kambon


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:14 PM

Boberts defense of kill cracker babies statements:

"No, once again you have put forth another patented oranges/apples arguement."

Ok Bobert keep analyzing everything I say and how I say it.

If Bobert didn't hear it or see it in his left wing media sources, it is totally discredited. It does not matter.

Of course when some militia group buys guns and it hits the liberal media, it is as important to him as the end of the world.

As per your request, my analysis of your petulant rants is racist and bigoted. That's because you want to excuse what a bl**k panther said and condemn a person that legally wears a pistol and carries a sign bearing a Thomas Jefferson quote. Right while the Secret Service is watching him and the cops [whom you claim would kill you for the same thing] are watching him and saying it is legal and he is no threat. Seems to me you want to violate this man's civil rights.

PS: More analysis: You asked what kind of gun it was and I said it was a S&W 9 mm pistol not a rifle. Then you say "what is the difference" and then you go back to repeating it was a rifle. If there is no difference, why do you keep insisting it was a rifle? Facts elude you Bobert. You now know it was a pistol but you keep saying it was a rifle.

Even more analysis: You seem to have written your self a permit to say things that are incorrect while you demand that others stick to the facts. That is unless it is a good buddy that agrees with your "Bobert facts" A member of the Bobert fan club. They get a pass. And even those members have tried to tell you on several occasions that you were wrong but it bounces off of you like bullets off of Superman. Like Tweed that said you have become bent.

Your claim that you "would have been shot if" is a typical attempt to distort the truth and make a fact out of a hypothesis. A theory that "If this had happened then that would have happened and that's a fact" It's an unproven theory, not a fact. Theories have to be tested before it becomes fact.

How many presidents have been shot by people visibly carrying a gun anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 10 - 09:51 PM

One question, Sawz... If I had showed up at one of those scripted Bush war rallies with a gun and a sign suggesting that its the patriotic thing to do to off leaders from time to time what do you think would have happened??? Don't hurt yer head on this one...

BTW, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on yer right winged posterior...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:36 PM

Why didn't they shoot the guy at the Obama rally Bobert?

Besides, what does it matter if it didn't happen?

We have the following facts to go on:

A guy showed up at an Obama rally.

He had a gun.

He had a sign.

He did not get shot.

He did not try to shoot Obama.

All of the local and Gov police knew about it.

They all said it was legal and he was within his rights.


You are trying to concoct some sort of Bogey Man scanario and turn it into a fact.

That is a scare tactic. A straw man logical fallacy.

Also it is or will soon be a Negative proof fallacy. That is if I can't prove the guy wouldn't have been shot at a Bush rally [proving a negative] then he would have been shot and that constitutes fact.

I am not your enemy Bobert. I merely show where you are wrong and you get a grudge trying to prove your unprovable points. You also exhibit a grudge for anybody that disagrees with you. Whereupon you start using personal insults as if it proves you are right.

You start threads like this one to deliberately stir up an argument and then you complain about people the arguments.

Certainly you want to know if you are right or wrong. Or are you an Idealist that only knows how things should be rather than the way things are.

You are always wailing about the facts I bring up being minor details and then you accuse others of not knowing the facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:51 PM

I think, extrapolating from the general tenor of Bush public meetings, with their special "free speech zones" and heavy handed policing actions, that if the situation Bobert suggests had occurred the perpetrator would have had his legal rights severely and rapidly curtailed.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:51 PM

Why wasn't the person holding this sign shot Bobert?

Bobert fact #98745731 Anybody that disagrees with Bobert is automatrically wrong and they are a right winger.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 02:25 PM

PRobably because they were unarmed?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 05:49 PM

Yeah, that's exactly it... The sign holder wasn't armed...

You may poopoo what Amos and I have said would have happened to me at a Bush rally if I had the sign and the gun but, hey, you live in another reality that really cannot possibly comprehend what it is like to watch yer entire leadership and movement wiped out with assasins bullets...

Hey, if Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, John Beohner and Mitch McConell were offed over the next year I think you might have some idea of our reality... And, no, I am not threatening that or even wishing it... But if that happened tghe conservative movement would be set back decades because it would set a fear level in every right winged loonie out there thinking it's okay to be an obnoxious, anti-socail jerk...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 11:19 AM

Bobert: Your "reality" is based on what ifs and not based on reality.

"if Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, John Beohner and Mitch McConell were offed over the next year I think you might have some idea of our reality"

You are one step away from hearing voices.

"if that happened tghe conservative movement "

"what if I were to take a Cherokee and fly it into a Tea Party gathering???"

"if I had the sign and the gun but"

"if ya' know that people are out there who are on Boss Hog's payrolll and their only job is to take yer life's work and twist it in a manner that makes you look like a monster then that has to be terribly terrorizin'" That one is really scary.

"If I had showed up at one of those scripted Bush war rallies with a gun and a sign suggesting that its the patriotic thing

"if he's around, can tell ya' what kinda rifle it was... It ceratinly wasn't a pistol... It was some kinda shortened rifle.." Bobert's reality keeps changing a S&W 9 mm pistol into a rifle. And then there was that gold plated M-16 too.

"if all of a sudden liberals started a liberal NRA and armed themselves as well as the righties then I don't think the "redneck superiority complex" (RSC) would hold up too long"

"if it had been a group of very rowdy, heavily armed Black Panther lookin' dudes accross the street from a Bush rally???" This one is particurly unrealistic because Bobert discredits anyone who uses the Black Panthers in a hypothesis. Yep Bobert has given himself special priveledges that he denies to others. Reality at it's finest.

"I find it incredulous that anyone would use the Black Panthers as an argument that the "left" is as guilty as the "right" in assholish behavior" But it is OK for Bobert to use the Black Panters as an argument that "right" is as guilty as the "left" in assholish behavior"

You are welcome to your private reality that is based on what ifs and you own special set of rules, Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 12:34 PM

Methinks, Sawz, if you spent a fraction of your artistic energy in making rational counter-arguments, instead of investing so much homework in making Bobert sound bad, you would be a lot more credible.

For my part I do not think the Tea Party is "terrorist", but I think they try very hard to be loud and intimidating, and I think they are misguided.

Seriously misguided.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 01:56 PM

". . . if he only had a brain. . . ."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:07 PM

Wait a minute, Amos... I like what Sawz did... I mean, some of them quotes is purdy danged good...

And ya' gotta admit that it is flattering to know that there's someone out there who prolly has a wall filled with yer piccures and all these quotes... I mean, yer just jealous, Amos, that you don't have yer bery own cyber-stalker...

As fir the Tea Party being a terrorist organization??? I mean, let's not put them up there with Osama but they certainly understand the use of terrorism... I mean terorism cvomes in all shapes and sizes... If yer this nurse who happened to wnat to speak up at a town hall meeting in favor of health care reform only to find the room filled with very pissed off, vulgar and rude people, hey, you prolly were terrorized...

I mean, these tactics are meant to scare.... Hmmmmmm??? So are the Taliban's tactics...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:41 PM

"making rational counter-arguments"

Like Bobert does?

Like his rational argument about the gold plated M=16 and all kinds of booty?

How about the beater airplane he claims Obama bought?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 03:51 PM

Like I say, Sawz, you can make your choice--try and find an intelligent discussion, or get fixated on hating Bobert. Sounds like you made your decision. You and BB should get together and have a few beers and explain to each other how Bobert and Amos made you do it...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 05:37 PM

Hey Amos:

Bobert is the one that is constantly saying who wants to kill who and who hates who and stiring up the hate.

"buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them...
they are out there preachin' violence"

I merely disagree with his logic and you turn that into hate.

When he goes about blabbering about what ifs and calims that constitues facts, that is not a rational argument.

You have told him several times that the tea party is not a terrorist organization but he continues his rant.

Maybe you and him should have a few beers. Or maybe pass a reefer and the Jug around. Maybe you could talk some sense into him. But AI doubt it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 08:06 PM

Hey, Amos... Saws has a point there... How 'bout bringin' a bigass bag of that good California weed to the Getaway..

The other points??? SOS... Who cares??? Saws lives in one of them parellel universes where Jim Crow never lived... Where there was never a civil right struggle... Where Bubba really doesn't mean he is suggesting killin' Obama... You know, some kinda Republican utiopia where if there is anything uncomfortable in yer life all ya got5ta do is make a happy oitcure and then twist, distort and mythologize yer way there and everything will be just fine...

Well, it will for Saws... Won't for the folks who are hurt by the policies that his boys want to put in place but, hey...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:52 PM

Bobert's boys created Jim Crow. Now they have to twist the truth in an effort to deny it.

Some of 'em even have to take up weed as an escape from reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 12:58 PM

My boy is only 25 years old, Sawz... I mean, Jim Crow had been gone a long time when he was born in '85...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: olddude
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:16 PM

Fight nice kids ... don't make me send you to your room or else !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 04:41 PM

Sawz:

"Bobert's boys created Jim Crow..." is a really off the wall accusation. Which of Bobert's boys do you specifically mean, if specifics are not too big a challenge?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:13 PM

Not to worry, Amos and ol'ster... I gotta a call from the Betty Ford folks and they are gonna 'round Sawz up and get him back on the program... He does have a tendency to fall off the wagon...

And 400...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 11:56 PM

"Sawz:

"Bobert's boys created Jim Crow..." is a really off the wall accusation. Which of Bobert's boys do you specifically mean, if specifics are not too big a challenge?"

Why didn't you challenge Bobert to specify the boys he was referring to?

He brought up the reference first. You ignore that and mount a personal attack on me. Do you have some sort of pro Bobert anti Sawzaw bias? Aren't you fair and balanced?

Bobert seems to be on a first name basis with the owner of his favorite rehab joint. How many frequent flier miles have you built up Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 12:37 AM

Me? I like Joe Crow! Jose Cuervo!. Si! Margaritas all around and move on to the next thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 11:05 PM

Now the Tea Party Terrorists are even threatening Republican officionados with a "bullet to the head"!

DOVER, Del. – A nasty campaign for the GOP U.S. Senate nomination in Delaware got even uglier Monday when state Republican officials disclosed what they characterized as a death threat against their party chairman.

U.S. Rep. Michael Castle, the choice of the GOP establishment in Tuesday's primary, is trying to fend off a possible upset by tea party candidate Christine O'Donnell.

State party spokesman Tom Doheny said Monday that chairman Tom Ross, who supports Castle and has denounced O'Donnell as a liar and a fraud, last week received a vulgarity-laced e-mail.

Doheny declined to provide a copy of the e-mail or divulge the address it came from, but said the writer suggested that Ross and other so-called Republicans in Name Only, or RINOs, deserve "a bullet in the head."

Doheny said Ross took the threat seriously enough to move his family out of their home, and that the Department of Justice is investigating.


Full story here.

Yeah, the terrorist roots of the Tea Party are beginning to show.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 08:43 AM

Yeah, in the words of Sarah, "Reload"...

Not too much different between the Tealiban and the brownshirts in Germany in the 30s... Can't win one way then threaten the opposition with 2nd ammendment remedies...

Hope the Tealiban is enjoyin' their little run now 'cause it ain't gonna last...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 08:57 AM

I hope the Tea Party is at least a wake-up call, for the stupid, and ineffectual, non-representative, career politicians, and their ilk, that have been in office, screwing us around for the past 30-40 years!!! Whether they gather any more, to their roles, has yet to be seen....but the two parties, in their present form, can just go take a hike!!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 01:55 PM

Are Al Goreistas a Terrorist Organization?

MSNBC

Police shot to death a man armed with several bombs who held three hostages Wednesday at the Discovery Communications building. Authorities said the hostages were safe.

At least one device on the man's body went off when he was shot inside the building in suburban Washington, D.C., Montgomery County police Chief Thomas Manger said. Police were trying to determine whether two boxes and two backpacks the gunman had also contained explosives.

Manger said SWAT officers shot the gunman about 4:50 p.m. ET because officials "believed the hostages were in danger." The hostages — two Discovery Communications employees and a security guard — were unhurt after the four-hour standoff.

An NBC News producer who called the building to find out what was going on had a brief telephone conversation with the man when he came on the line unexpectedly. He identified himself as James J. Lee and said, "I have a gun and I have a bomb. ... I have several bombs strapped to my body ready to go off."

Speaking to reporters, Manger would not release the man's identity, but numerous law enforcement authorities gave NBC News the same name James J. Lee. Lee, 43, was a longtime protester at the building who was sentenced to six months of supervised probation for disorderly conduct in March 2008.

Manger said the suspect held the hostages in the lobby area of the first floor. He said police spent several hours negotiating with the armed man after he entered the suburban Washington building about 1 p.m.

The building in the close-in suburb of Washington was safely evacuated, including the Discovery Kids Place day care center, and none of the 1,900 people who work in the building were hurt.

'The planet does not need humans'
Lee appears to have posted environmental and population-control demands online, saying humans are ruining the planet and that Discovery should develop programs to sound the alarm.

"I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it," the alleged manifesto reads, adding:

"Nothing is more important than saving ... the Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels. The humans? The planet does not need humans."
Video: James Lee pitched TV show to Discovery

Court records show that Lee was arrested Feb. 21, 2008, on the sixth day of a protest at the Discovery building. At the time of his conviction in March 2008, he was identified as being from San Diego.

Police were called to the scene when a crowd that had gathered began growing "unruly" as Lee threw thousands of dollars of cash into the air, some of it still in shrink-wrapped packages, police said at the time. (Lee was found not guilty of littering.)

Lee said at the time that he experienced an "awakening" when he watched former Vice President Al Gore's environmental documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 02:00 PM

Bong hits for the demands of a left wing "terrorist"?:

The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 02:55 PM

To conflate the droolings of one psycho with the general teachings of Al Gore must take a very bitter, short-tempered miond indeed, Mister Zawl. It is a patent, transparent effort to confuse and heap acrimony on someone who really does not deserve it, using the cheapest of rhetorical machinations. Really, you DO have better things to do with your time. You seem a little desperate to invalidate people any way you can think of. Why is that?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 04:49 PM

The only one being invalidated here, Amos, is Sawz himself... People that are all that angry should just seek more counseling and/or a change in meds...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:46 AM

So from what I gather by the statements of the two senior repositories of knowledge* here on the Mudcat with nothing better to do, is that what the leftwing psycho terrorist did was OK but the person that makes note of it, Me, needs some help.

Well it always easier to attack the person rather than to refute the information, to "invalidate people any way you can think of" especially when you don't have any facts to refute it with.

FYI the leftwing psycho terrorist said he was "awakened" by Al Gore's movie.

*Knowledge consisting of little known "facts" like Regan eliminated Glass Steagal and Obama bought his own airplane.

And of course don't forget the squirrels.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:05 AM

Personally, Al gore puts me to sleep.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:13 AM

Come on, let's not be nuts! The guy was an environmental wacko. Isn't that obvious?? ..and, as far as Al Gore is concerned, he, his doctrine, and his film have been proven to be fraudulent!..I don't think there should be much debate about that! To agree with Gore, especially with this other nut ball, was/is just enough to set the wacko behavior off!
So, Amos and Bobert, Don't embarrass yourselves by defending Gore or the whack-job nut-ball...and just because Sawzaw posts the post he did, which happens to be true, to jump his shit for it, is just left-over clinging to fraudulent premises of the past. Get over it!
Jeez!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 08:41 AM

Righto, GfinS... Amos and I should just let the polluters pollute our water and our air because, after all, they are wealthy and wealthy folks can't be or do anythig worng, can they??? And anyone who has the adasity to stand up to the polluters should be villified... And after that we should all just bow down to the polluters and thank them for providing us our meager jobs... I* mean, what good is clean air and water if we don't have jobs makin' Boss Hog's widgets...

BTW, don't worry about the green glow in that pond out back... Our scientists say it's cleaner than clean... Might of fact they say they are thinkin' of bottlin' it up and sellin' it in the health food stores...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:49 PM

The logic I am pointing out is that if somebody does something horrible and weird it is declared an isolated incident by a psychopath unless they are in anyway associated, ever even walked past a conservative rally. Then It is declared to be a conspiracy carried out by a terrorist organization, every conservative is guilty of terrorism and belongs to the Taliban.

The old double standard rears it's ugly head again. Bobert's propaganda rules.

In giving voice to people who are pissed off seems that one global warming anti pollution nut, hyped up by Al Gore, has now committed a suicide, terrorist, hostage taking attack on a private company because he disagreed with them.

Me thinks that the Taliban are alive and well in the USA


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:10 PM

Amos,

To conflate the droolings of one psycho with the general principles of the Tea Party must take a very bitter, short-tempered mind indeed, Amos. It is a patent, transparent effort to confuse and heap acrimony on someone who really does not deserve it, using the cheapest of rhetorical machinations. Really, you DO have better things to do with your time. You seem a little desperate to invalidate people any way you can think of. Why is that?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:15 PM

The New York Times

I asked the election guru Charlie Cook if there were signs that the Tea Party was scaring away the independents. I haven't seen any, he replied. I asked another Hall of Fame pollster, Peter Hart, if there were Republican or independent voters so alarmed by the Tea Party that they might alter their votes. He ran the numbers and found very few potential defectors.

The fact is, as the Tea Party has surged, so has the G.O.P. When this primary season began in early February, voters wanted Democrats to retain control of Congress by 49 percent to 37 percent, according to an Associated Press-Gfk poll. In the ensuing months, Tea Party candidates won shocking victories in states from Florida to Alaska. The most recent A.P./Gfk poll now suggests that Americans want Republicans to take over Congress by 46 percent to 43 percent.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 01:48 PM

Ya know, Bruce, many of us mastered the rhetorical device of mindless mimicry, or copying, in pre-school. But by the time we got to fourth grade, we had outgrown it. We also got over the senseless delight in irritating people by using it, because we grew out of the sense of helplessness which made us desperate for anything that would prove we had a point of view.

I don't know why you think it is clever to take someone else's words and twist them around this way, but it is callow and ineffective.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 02:07 PM

Amos,

If you think MY statement is " callow and ineffective", perhaps YOU might guess what I think of your statement using the same factual basis- ie, that ONE person represents the entire movement.


If you don't like what I say, stop saying the same thing ( from the other side) YOURSELF.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 02:23 PM

Huh?? Who did I accuse of representing the whole movement? Check your meds, amigo...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM

Anyone who brandishes a weapon at the Tea Party is a terrorist.

Keep your guns at home!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 06:29 PM

In logic it is the informal fallacy of attributing to the whole what may be true to the part. It is a non sequiter: it does not follow.

In the case of the Tea Party, these are the facts: It is not a formal party. To date,as far as I know, there is NO membership requirement. The meetings that have been held have been open to the general public and therefore those who have staged the meetings have NO CONTROL over those who may attend other than societal police control. Since this is a free country and free speech is in effect, virtually any opinion could be expresed in a number of ways at such an event and it would not necessairliy be an accurate reflection of those who staged the event.

I believe Sawz brought up the case of the homocidal/suicidal Gorite to demonstrate the absurdity of attributing to the whole what may be true of the part. That's all.

Regardless of your positions on Global Warming or the Tea Party, such arguments are fallacious and when presented with inflamatory language, well, at best it generates hundreds of posts to a topic that ought not to be. That IS all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 09:09 PM

The bottom line here is that some folks here think it is perfectly okay in their book to villify someone because they don't agree with them... Poor ol' Al Gore ain't no demon... Might of fact, he probably knows more about environmental issues than the entire Mudville population...

Hey, if you take a country to war for bogus reasons you deserve the criticism but to try to make Al Gore into some kinda moronic monster is just way the heck over the line interms of trying to win whatever debating points one is trying to win...

(But, Bobert... You have called the Tea Party folks loonies, terrorists, racists, etc...)

Well, yeah... I have... And I'm sure that alot of them folks have just gotten caught up in Dick Armey's multi-million doallr community organizing affort against Desm and Obama... But when I look at the pictures and read the signs it's hard not revisist tapes of the KKK from my childhood and young adulthood...

I mean, if the Tea Party evdedr wants my respect it has to step to the plate and say, "2nd ammendmant solution" against your polititical opponents are not American... Until then, hey, they are nuthin' but a bunch or renegade, lynch-mob rednecks...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 01:54 AM

Bobert: "Might of fact, he probably knows more about environmental issues than the entire Mudville population..."

He probably does...so why is he lying his ass off.....money?????? To be relevant?????

Gore is so full of shit, that those who start defending him, or spouting his crap, are also full of it!...and there ain't no two ways about it!!!

Speaking of which, when the political loonies run out of common sense, and their so-called arguments are found to be full of holes, because there are no FACTS in their rap, they resort to 'name calling', and accusations..instead of an intelligent debate. Gore, and his acknowledged fraudulent 'theories' have been PROVEN to be full of lies, and disinformation. THAT is a FACT!! To hang on, and try to defend his position, then makes you just spouting old, left over, propaganda, that didn't work!!!!
How stupid is THAT??????
Oh!!!..BUT he is a Democrap...so let's all rally behind him, no matter how full of shit he is!!!
Can't wait till his ex-ol' lady, publishes the book ,that reveals what an absolute phony his is!!....and you'll still be in denial!!!!

Sheesh!,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 09:20 AM

Who says he is lieing, GfinS??? You??? The Polluters??? Bush former flat-eart socalled scientists??? FOX??? The Tea Party??? John Birch hisself??? No, Lyndon LaRouche??? Mickey Mouse???

More to being a liar than having folks with different agendas proclamin' you one...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 09:59 AM

Bobert, I suggest you read, or somehow get acquainted with the news.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 10:38 AM

GoS:

Your analysis of Gore could stand a little fleshing out--it seems to be short of particulars and in need of some nuancing.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 07:10 PM

Alll ya gotta do, Amos, is read whatever wingnut blog that GfinS wants yhou to read and then you too can be part of the growing...

...Al-Gore-is-a-crook consiracy... I'm sure GfinS has plenty of links to them folks who will be more than happy to pass along not only that conspiracy theory but if you order now, you will also recieve the Al-Gore-kidnapped-the-Limburg-baby conspracy "evidence", as well...

But wait... There's more... That's right, if you order now you will not only recieve the Al-Gore-is-a-crook conspiarcy material and the Al-Gore-kidnapped-the-Limburg-baby stuff but also...

... the Al-Gore-devorced-Tipper-to-marry-bin-Laden's-sister conspiracy material ahead of its scheduled Oct. 19th official release date so...

...order now at http;///www.GuestfrominSanity.com and...

...thank you fir yer support...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 09:28 PM

Innuendos and name calling...hmmm...is that all you got?????

Who put you up to this..the crazed biscuit queen of the north?

Betcha didn't know this!

Hurray for integrity!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 08:48 AM

I mean, let's get real here... Many people of Al Gore's age get involved in helping aging parent manage stock portfolios... But there are different levels of management... The fact that Al Gore's mothers portfoloio had stock in Occidental Petrolium should not come as a major surprise... Lotta folks of her generation invested in Occidental because it was considered a safe (conservative) investment... Big deal...

CorpWatch could better use it's time investigating the real petrolium crooks who actively and personally have been involved in wrong doing... I mean, they put the blast on Al Gore as if he was Dick Cheney... There's somethin' dishonest here...

Al Gore helps his mom with some paperwork and gets the bigass Al-is-a-crook charge from CorpWatch and Dick Cheney gets a pass??? I mean, even if CorpWatch did a piece on Cheney it's completely incongruent that CorpWatch would elevate Al Gore to Cheney's "crook level status" for helpin' his mom with her investments...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 09:27 AM

Why don't we get sensationalist threads like this about the APP? I'll tell you why. Because apes are a whole lot smarter than humans, that's why.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:24 AM

When members of the Tea Party bring weapons to political events to try to intimidate
those who don't agree with them, this is a terrorist tactic.

The Tea Partiers will not allow those who disagree with them to speak at their rallies.
They will shout them down as they always do because they think they are the only
ones who are right.

Most of them are over sixty and white. They offer no solutions to the unemployment problems that we have and generally support the meaningless war in Afghanistan
and the absurd occupation of Iraq (which by the way is still occupied by American troops.)

Dick Armey and the Koch brothers support this ragtag bunch of hot heads because it is a political weapon to use against Obama who is vilified by ugly posters and lied about.
They say he is a Muslim and this is a lie. They also say he is Hitler and this is unjust.
The Tea Partiers have no real credibility of representing sensible people in the US and have gotten a lot of publicity because it makes titillating copy in place of real news.

They are very much the same ilk as the Brown Shirts of Nazi Germany, stirring up trouble and raging against the takeover of Liberals which are really non-existent. They have abused the Second Amendment of the Constitution to get their way through intimidation
and bullying tactics. There are very few black people there because they know that the Tea Party is basically a racist reactionary party.

The solution to the disease of the Tea Party is for sensible people to raise their objections which because most Americans have their head in the sand, they are unwilling to do.
John Stewart offers a legitimate appeal to "taking it down a notch" and allowing for sanity in a crazy period of American history.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 11:48 AM

Exactly, Srings...

Think back on the so-called "town meetings last summer... Traditionally, the town meeting is one of the most democratic institutions in the country... Yet Dick Armey and Co. turned them into their own political theater by training these hotheads to turn what was supposed to be democratic meeting into their own little thuggish bullying ring...

I mean, let's get real here... The Tealiban slobs who went to these meetings went with one intent and that was not to particiapte in democracy but to disrupt it... Hey, it's one thing to organize a bunch of like minded jerks and go out and have a ralley or demonstration... It's quite another to attend an event where people have come to participate, learn a little, maybe get up and ask questions or make comments just to prevent these people from ***their*** 1sy ammendment rights...

Seems that the Tealiban is only interested in constitutional rights when it comes to ***their*** rights but don't give a flying fig about the rights of others... That, my friends, is what my mom calls "borish" beahvior...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 12:31 PM

And thanks, Strings, fir bringing the discussion back into line... Seems so folks would rather just change the subject...

No, the Tea Party using terrorism and Al Gore's mom's finacial portfolio as topics of conversation have nuthin' in common...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 01:10 PM

Stringsinger: "When members of the Tea Party bring weapons to political events to try to intimidate
those who don't agree with them, this is a terrorist tactic."

Agreed...Same with the environmental Whack jobs who start blasting away and proceed in killing people!!!!...while agreeing with Gore, who allegedly IS MASQUERADING AS AN 'ENVIRONMENTALIST' only for the money.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 07:54 PM

As I understand the environmental "whack jobs" as you refer to them, they don't hurt people. They will sometimes destroy property such as whaling vessels or lumber company equipment. I know of no environmental protest group that use weapons to further their cause ala the Tea Party.

Al Gore has an environmentalist axe to grind but he's not really in it for the money.
He may have political motivations for it but it is not a lucrative position that he is taking
whereas the major corporate offenders are only interested in the bottom line and not in the welfare of the public or their customers. Their CEO's make a lot more than Gore ever dreamt of.

Who is really crooked here?

Al Gore may not be the perfect spokesperson for environmental protection but he is head and shoulders above anyone else today who is allowed to be broadcast on the media.
The whole BP oil spill should convince anyone in their right mind of that. If you believe
that chemical dispersants have eaten all the oil and made the ecological problems of the Gulf Coast go away, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn for sale to you.

The Tea Partiers won't and can't have a position on this issue since they are purely a reactionary group who have no solutions to anything. Gore, no matter what you think of him, is pro-active on a cause he believes in. He is being attacked because he is perceived as being a "Liberal", something the reactionary Tea Party can't stand. It's ideological warfare based on ad hominem arguments.

I think that Bobert's thread is appropriate and he has called it correctly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 08:28 PM

And thank you, Strings... Ya' ever notice how when people don't really have a defense they just try to change the subject... Unless, of course, it's a Tealibaner and then they either try to shout you down or threaten to shoot you...

I hope that the Dems will point these things out between now and the November elctions... I think there are alot of independents who are tellin' pollster one thing but really haven't made up their minds and the borishjness o0f the tea Party could easially turn an entire the entire election if the Repubs and Tealiban are seen as too far extreme...

Yeah, I know that the Repubs and the Tealiban is tryin' to paint anyone who votes for a Dem a "socialist" but I just don't see that stickin' too well... I think the right has overpalyed the socialist card this time around...

b~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 08:37 PM

Yep Strings, when the right starts employing tactics that the left has used for decades, cry "foul"! Simply amazing.

I happened to see one of the last California condors in the wild before efforst began to save them. Where? Elk Hills oil reserve, while working on an oil rig. That is all that is out there, hundreds, if not thousands of capped wells. You won't see the Roosevelt Elk there either. Those that still exist have been settled in other more hospitable areas. The last blunt nosed leapard lizard I saw anywhere near there was 30 miles north where now stands a state penitentiary (Delano). They must not have filed an enviroment impact report before building that one! That was a very interesting article, Ggfs.

"Facts? We don' neeed no stinking facts!"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 10 - 08:49 PM

I don't recall the left threatenin' to shoot anyone, Slag, if they didn't agree with them...

Yeah, there were some nutty people in the 60s but, hey, 20/20 hinsight the Black Panthers got guns to protect themselves... Didn't work out too well fir them as cops either shot them dead in their sleep or arrested them fir, ahhhhh, danged if I know... Don't remember any other refererneces to threatening to shoot ( or hang) folks that don't agree with you until Sarah Palin went out and riled up Redneck Nation... Now, it seems that we can't go a week without one of these people thrreatenin' to use 2nd ammendment remedies to get hie os her way...

So this idea that the right is now doing waht the left has done for years is ***bogus***... It comnplete mythology intended to give cover to the rednecks who are out there thinkin' it's okay to shoot people if they don't agree with Redneck Nation's wanting to "get their country back"... That is a total crock of hog manure...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 01:30 PM

I guess you missed the news item about the environmental whack job, who started firing his weapon, this past week, doing some killing, so the polluted environment wouldn't...oh, never mind.
It was in the news, look it up.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 04:29 PM

Yer words, GfinS... The "environmental whack job"... The implication is that this guy was some kinda outsider who went postal...

That is not an argument 'casue it deals with one person...

What we are talking about there is an entire political movement that has infused threats of violence into it's strategy...

If you can't see the difference then you have indeed earned the "in" in Gf"in"S...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:03 AM

Bobert: "What we are talking about there is an entire political movement that has infused threats of violence into it's strategy..."

Other than Democrap talking points, do you have a reliable source on that??..or are you just spouting off, again?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:06 AM

Ohh...and by the way, speaking of DemoCRAP talking points, the Administration just released this today: The recession was over in July 2009!!!!

I guess if you believe the spin on that one, you can believe about anything!!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 08:12 AM

Geeze, GfinS... I really haven't heard any Dems talkin' about this... Wish they would... Seems the Dems are a little gun-shy (pun intended) these days and not standing up for much...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:19 PM

The "reliable source" for Bobert's contention is the display of guns at political rallies.
This is analogous to junta mentality. Let's intimidate those who don't agree with us.

As to Democrats, they are running scared right now. When they find their courage, they
might become a viable Party again.

As to Republicans, they have nothing valuable to offer. Their rage is impotent.
Their lies are transparent but they don't care about that.

Christine O'Donnel and Sarah Palin have nothing valuable to offer to solve the important issues of today, unemployment, meaningless wars, and fiscal policies. They are symbols
of American insanity but at the root of their campaigns are the puppet-masters, the corporations that are financing them. This can be said for the Tea Party in general.

The problem is that just like in Nazi Germany, the public is casting about for someone to blame for their economic predicament. Liberals, Democrats, Peaceniks, etc. are an easy target and with weapons available, they are often literal targets.

Bill Maher may have a point. You are never going to eradicate terrorism. There will be crime and terrorism is one of them. Then again, if we can evolve beyond "fight and flight" we may have a chance of survival.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 12:28 PM

Gosh Bobert, It's on the front page, of every national paper, and top news story, on broadcast 'news' today. I suggest you get your head out of your 'posterior' and read something, besides this blog!..that is, if you can see straight!

GfS

P.S. When you see it, you let me know if you think you agree!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Sep 10 - 01:14 PM

Well, not on the front page of the Washington Post... Big story about a 7 figure donation to the Tea Party... But with the Supreme Courts latest legislation the American people have no right to know where that money came from...

I'm not too sure, GfinS, what you are even talkin' about whatever earth-shattering story you are thinking of here... Is it "Recession is officially over, but anxiety lingeres"???... Or "Probes by FBI called improper"???... Or "Cildren of al-Qaeda in Iraq pay for sins of their fathers"???... Or "Mystery involving Arlington grave sites grows"???... Or is the Tea Part one entitled "Tea Party works to build on momentum"???

Those are the only stories on the front page of today's Post, GfinS... None else... None about the Dems demanding the the Tealiban offer up a statement that killing folks who disgree with you ain't cool... None about whatever it is that you think is earth-shattering...

Me thinks that you could use a little time out with Betty Ford...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:24 AM

Try USA Today. I simply cannot believe this one escaped you!! Even others have posted regarding this...Oh yeah, I forgot....you're blind to certain things.......and see only what you want to see.
That's probably why you keep running over things while mowing the yard!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:30 AM

Try USA Today. I simply cannot believe this one escaped you!! Even others have posted regarding this...Oh yeah, I forgot....you're blind to certain things.......and see only what you want to see.
That's probably why you keep running over things while mowing the yard!

GfS

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They must be examining their colons, personally, real well, and up close!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 08:35 AM

Oh, that one???

{{{{{{{{{{{yawn}}}}}}}}}}}}

And this is "new" news, exactly how???

This is a recycled story, GfinS... They been tellin' US that it was over for the last 6 months to a year and then sayin' that it's going to be several years, if ever, before the economy produces enough jobs to be even close to a full employement economy...

Only those who are "clueless" haven't been hearing or reading these stories all along... I'm not too sure why they feel that had to repackage the same story and bring it out as if it is "news"... Face it, it's "olds"...

I mean, unless you just arrived from a foriegn planet, that is...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 11:05 AM

Bobert: "The bottom line here is that some folks here think it is perfectly okay in their book to villify someone because they don't agree with them"

That's what Bobert does every day so he must be one that thinks it's OK.

"foriegn planet"? as opposed to a native planet?

I think this falls into the Illegal loophole category.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 12:00 PM

Bobert: "....They been tellin' US that it was over for the last 6 months to a year and then sayin' that it's going to be several years, if ever, before the economy produces enough jobs to be even close to a full employement economy..."

So, are you saying you believe the lie, or don't believe the lie?? OR Either way you interpret the lie, Obama is your kind of guy!

Stereo politicians, speaking out of both sides of their mouths!!!

But, its okay, you can drool over anyone you want, for any reason you want. Here in America, we have the freedom to be as stupid and tasteless as we want!!! The government will send over someone to wipe your ass....Hey, No wonder you like it!!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 10 - 02:29 PM

It ain't as much as believin' a "lie", GfinS... We're in a pickle of a recovery because the corpoartions have way too much power... They are doing fine... Their profits are up because they know they have their workers by the balls and are squeezin' every last little bit of production out of them... That is reality... Mmy 3 son-in-laws are "Exhibit A, B and C"... One works for Kraft Foods and is salaried and he's putting in 60 hour weeks... Another works for Sylvan Pools and running two markets where two years ago each market had it's own manager... He's also putting in 60 hours a week... The 3rd works for Marriot and he's slammed, too...

What this means is that one heck of alot of people are unemployed... That is the main problem here...

What we have is the "pefect storm" for Boss Hog to bust some butts and that's what he's doing and thus what we have is a jobless recovery... That is the true said of the story...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 12:01 AM

Are Homeless people a Terrorist Organization?

Matthew Watkins, 28, was charged with four counts each of first-degree assault and armed criminal action for the attack Saturday at the Mid-America Care Center, the Callaway County sheriff's office said Sunday.

Sheriff Dennis Crane said two victims were cut by a chain saw and two others by a knife. Authorities said the victims injured by the chain saw were in critical condition, while the other two were treated and released.

Watkins had been staying at the shelter for about two weeks and was taking part in a program that provides residents with on-the-job-training, authorities said.

The attacks happened around 2 p.m. inside the shelter. Afterward, Watkins ran outside, where police got him to drop the chain saw at gunpoint and arrested him, authorities said.

Watkins, originally from St. Louis, was being held on $600,000 bond. Jail officials did not immediately know whether Watkins had an attorney.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 10:16 AM

Some might be, Sawz... Especially if they are both homeless and card carryin' members of the Tealiban Party...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:35 PM

Bobert, life has to be easy for you. Just take out your broad brush and paint everything under the banner black or white and dismiss or praise it. It's a great substitute for analysis and actual thought!

I personally have no problem with anybody of either party being armed at anytime. In my opinion that IS the supreme law of the land. The moronic idiot(s) that would try to use (read: missuse)that right to threaten or intimidate would find himself vastly outnumbered. And as for the handful of nutcases who actually do use a weapon, well, they haven't been stopped yet.

Wait! Wait! I hear you screaming! Yes, it is problematic at a huge gathering and where our public leadership would be at risk in these times marked by terrible violent acts. Gun checks, go-nogo can all be in play. A policy of "not here-not now" would render gatherings pretty much as things exist right now. In a free society these things will always be problematic. However when freedom ceases to be, no more such problems, for the governing class at any rate.

Strings, the reason I wouldn't support Sarah Palin is found in her book. Instead of demonstrating leadership quality and confronting John McCain personally when she disaggreed with her handlers, she continued to act the part of a team player. If she was to ever aspire to a higher office, she needed to confront and if neccessary, leave the ticket in support of her own convictions.

As for O'Donnel her political usefullness was exhausted by winning the primary. Her's was not a YES vote for O'Donnel but a NO vote for the Republican status quo. That's all. She demonstrated her immaturity and inexperience NOT by backing out of the Chris Wallace interview (that was bad enough) but by not contacting Wallace and company beforehand with a credible explanation. Rather, it has been her "handlers" spinning excuses after the fact. Does anyone really need this person representing them?

See Bobert, that's how you shoot someone down in the political arena, by facts and sound arguemnt.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:45 PM

I suspect that the primary reason the media are focusing various kinds of attacks and ridicule on the Tea Party is this: the media serve the Duopoly (Democrats and Republicans), because the Duopoly serves the media's corporate owners. Anything that threatens the stranglehold that the Duopoly has on the American political process will therefore be vigorously attacked by the mass media, demonized or ridiculed, and held up as a great danger to society...or a joke not to be taken seriously. Whatever works. The main thing is, nobody must be permitted to break or damage the power of the ruling Duopoly.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:48 PM

LH,

Your comment CANNOT be true. That would make Amos and Bobert (un)knowing agents of the Duopoly, and we know that they are entirely independent of any political bias, unlike all those that disagree with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 03:45 PM

It's them Republicrats and Demicans what's doing it to us!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 05:16 PM

Actually, it is a wonder at all that a loosely orgainized band or angry white people gets all this media time... If we break down the numbers of folks who have voted for the Tea Party cnadidates it's less than 15% of the registered voters in the states where Tealiban candidtes have run... Maybe closer to 10%..l. That makes it a fringe party, at best...

But the media time they are getting is mind boggling!!! You'd think that the so-called "liberal" media wouldn't let such a small band of loonies get so much press...

(Follow the money, Boberdz...)

Oh yeah, countless tens upons millions of dollars are behind the Tealiban Party... Between the Kock brothers and the Dick Armie's lobby (health insurers, pharmacudicals, etc.) these people are, per vote, the most expensive campaign that has ever been waged... I mean, bigass money behind the Tealiban...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 10:40 AM

Tea Party's Big MoneyPublished: September 23, 2010
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LinkedinDiggMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalink. Tea Party supporters and their candidates like to imagine themselves as insurgents, crashing the barricades of Washington to establish a new order of clean and frugal government. In earthbound reality, many of the people pulling the Tea Party's strings are establishment Republican operatives and lobbyists. Some have made money off the party for years.

One example is Sal Russo, a gun-for-hire who has worked for former President Ronald Reagan, former Gov. George Deukmejian of California, former Gov. Christine Todd Whitman of New Jersey, former Gov. George Pataki of New York, and many other Republicans. As The Times reported on Sunday, Mr. Russo saw a sure thing last year, establishing a group called the Tea Party Express to support candidates in the midterm elections and raise cash at the same time.

The group has spent nearly $1 million in an effort to replace Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic Senate leader. It spent nearly $350,000 to elect Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts. It is pouring money into Alaska to support Joe Miller's Senate bid. And it has spent $250,000 in Delaware on behalf of Christine O'Donnell, now the Republican nominee for the United States Senate. Mr. Russo held a fund-raiser for Ms. O'Donnell and organized a rally.

In all, Mr. Russo and his group have raised $5.2 million and are the biggest independent supporters of Tea Party candidates. Of that, $3 million to buy advertising went to his political consulting firm or one controlled by his wife. Of course, he takes a substantial cut of each buy.

Dick Armey, the former House Republican leader, considers himself a godfather of the Tea Party and is co-author of the book, "Give Us Liberty: a Tea Party Manifesto." Writing in The Wall Street Journal, he called for a "hostile takeover" of the Republican Party, which sounds so very revolutionary until one remembers that he helped lead that party for many years, guiding its policies and raising its money. When he left office in 2003, he cashed in on his connections to become a very high-paid lobbyist at DLA Piper, one of Washington's biggest law firms, which has clients that include health-care companies, energy producers and foreign governments.

Then there is Carl Paladino, the Tea Party-backed Republican nominee for governor of New York. His bloodcurdling denunciations of Albany never seem to mention that he is one of the biggest landlords of state agencies, owning properties with $85 million in taxpayer leases in Buffalo alone that provide him with income of more than $5 million a year. He is the biggest property owner in Buffalo, and much of his empire has been constructed with state development incentives and tax breaks. An adviser is Roger Stone, an operator for Republicans since Richard Nixon's re-election campaign.

There are undoubtedly thousands of Tea Partiers who would love to purge Washington of well-connected lobbyists, high-priced political consultants and others who take millions of taxpayer dollars while condemning the lawmakers who spend it. They should take a long look at the leaders and candidates who are driving their movement and decide whether purging begins at home.
(Editorial, NYT)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:10 PM

"if they are both homeless and card carryin' members of the Tealiban Party"

Another if. You are really good at operating on ifs rather than facts soow about determining the outcome of this "if":

What if they were homeless and not card carrying members of the "Tealiban Party"

Can you show us one of those cards?

Or would you rather base your "if then" "facts" on bullshit that does not even exist?

Maybe one of those cartoon characters on the Simpson's has a Tealiban membership card you can direct us too.

UAW members carry cards don't they? Would you like some buzzed up boozed up stoner alky building your car?

What if your car was assembled by drunk potheads?

Can you give us some insight on that?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:12 PM

Get a life, Sawz...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:26 PM

Bobert,

You choose to make unsupported attacks on Tea party member, because YOU disagree with them. and the actions of a very small minority.

Sawzaw chooses to make attacks, based on an equally small sample, on union members who support someone HE disagrees with.



If HE needs to get a life, YOU should consider doing so as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 12:42 PM

I got one and no "card carryin' members of the Tealiban Party" exist in my life.

I suppose UAW members smoking pot and drinking during lunch do not exist in yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 02:49 PM

Amos Lightfoot, all that ballyhoo about some people giving money to the Tea Baggers, you left out George Soros, and his agendas for the Democraps!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:23 PM

How could I disagree with the what the Tea Party believes, bruce... They really don't belive in anything that resembles policy positions... Wanting their country back is not a policy position... It is bullshit... Wanting thr "government out of their lives" is not a policy position... It also is bullshit... Saying they are against the deficits but wanting to continue tax cuts is not a policy position... It is not onlu bullshit but not possible...

What I object to is these people are threatening to shoot people who disagree with them... On another thread where I posed a hypthethical question about the left using 2nd "ammendment remedies" I made it clear that I was not advocating shooting anyone... The Tea Party needs to do the same...

I also disagree with their bullying tactics at the town hall meeting last summer... People came to them thinking they were going to be allowed to participate but were bullied so badly by the Tea Party ***goons*** that they left having not been able to particiapte...

Neither of these have anything in common with the way a free and democratic country works...

Now if the Tea Party wants to respect our country and show respect for democracy and stand up and say they have been assholes and they now understand that threatening people ain't the way they want to be seen then it's "game on"...

Until then, they are borish assholes who have no respect for this country and would do better in Afganistan with their Taliban brothers, who BTW, think just like them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:25 PM

"People came to them thinking they were going to be allowed to participate but were bullied so badly by the Tea Party ***goons*** that they left having not been able to particiapte..."

Sort of like ANY conservative posting his views here at Mudcat???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 03:57 AM

Amos, amigo, you are right about the fact the R's jumped up and immediately started trying to co-opt Tea-Party because what the folks were saying was that they are tired of the same old same old. Bush went right down the check list of the things to say to the conservative members of the R's and he was sure to add a lot of sincereity to the spiel. The fish took the bait and that was that. Tea-Partiers are looking for a more sincere bait.

But wait! They are also looking across the aisle for folk who perhaps tend to vote their way of thinking there also so don't be too quick to write this grassroots movement off. There may be something here for everybody.

One thing you have to admit though, they are NOT the homogeneous, monochromatic group, marching in lock-step that Bobert and some others make them out to be. I tend to see those on the left as being in that mind-set. But I was wrong about that! I am having a wonderful time watching the Obama show! You've got to admit that it is entertaing to see a "Unified" party with control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency fumble, fall over each other, bicker and fight and generally squander what may be the moment of a lifetime. And look at what they have wound up hanging their colective hat on: an unworkable, untenable health care initiative! Bravo!

Perhaps, if you are looking for REAL change in gu'ment check out the tea party for yourself. They are not closed to anyone and the debates are just as lively as anything here at the 'cat! Guns optional!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 11:51 AM

No one here screams or shouts you down, bruce... You can type in peace and type as much as you like... Major difference than the town meetings...

As for the membership of the Tea Party??? Alll one has to do is study the picture that was on the front page of the Washington Post a couple weeks ago after the Beck ralley to have a firm understanding of thr demographics... I studied it under a magnifying glass for some time... No blacks... And at least 7 in 10 of the folks there were seriously over weight which means if they don't have health insurance then tax payers will inevitably be on the hook for one heck of alot of health care expenses down the road just from this sample of about 200 of these folks...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 12:40 PM

Bobert: "How could I disagree with the what the Tea Party believes, bruce... They really don't belive in anything that resembles policy positions... Wanting their country back is not a policy position... It is bullshit... Wanting thr "government out of their lives" is not a policy position... It also is bullshit..."

I think you post clearly says it all!! Look at how far you got locked into it. You should re=read this carefully, and it may dawn on you, why you get so much flak......and how screwed up you've become....I mean to say, your post, reflecting your thinking, is exactly where any tyrant would want you!!!

Regards, GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 03:59 PM

Policy position and emotive primal screamin' are world's apart, GfinS... I have yet to hear one actual, ahhhhh, policy position outta these loadmouths... Maybe you'd like to step up to the plate and become a spokesman and put forth something... I mean, anything... that slightly resembles something that rele3ctes what policies the Tealiban would advocate or want to change...

To date, I haven't heard of any they have put forth...

Maybe they just got to get their hissyfits behind them before they are able to articulate what it is that they want...

"Wanting our country back" says 100% nuthing...

"We wnat government off our backs" says 100% nuthin'...

Sorry if I sound impatient to you but there are alot of us waiting to hear what the heck these people want??? I mean, if they want to privitaize Social Secrity or even kill it, hey, that is a position and a starting point for discussion... If they want to kill off every department in the federal government except Defense, hey, that is a policy posotion and a starting point for discussion... Hey, if they want to continue subsidizing the rich with bigass tax breaks then that is a policy posiion and a starting point for discussion...

But they won't come out and say what it is they want and until then if they just think they can go around threatening to kill people they ain't goin' any further than they've come and will start to decline as more of it members say, "Hey, what do we want???"...

This is some very basic logic that I'm talkin' about here, GfinS... Not rocket surgery, by any stretch of the imagination...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 05:35 PM

Hey Bobert! You may be right! I didn't just look at the Washington Post alone though (it's amazing what you can do with Photo Shop. I could make the demographic 50% black in short order), but that aside. If 11% to 13% of the pop. is black what is that of the about 500K folks who showed up for the GB rally? If it were a totally random sample that would be about 50K or so. That is plenty enough to show up in a random photo. But unfortunately that doesn't happen to be the demographic of the right-leaning side of the US political scene. So perhaps the photo did give a fair representation to fit the PROFILE you were using. That's right, you were profiling. You were examining that photo looking for one thing: skin color. It doesn't matter which skin color it was, it's still racial profiling. Did you look for the lighter skinned blacks or just the ones that would stand out more boldly in the sea of WHITE? Did you think to examine the stage where the speakers were? Had you, I know you would have seen some black folk there, Loretta Scott King for one. I mean, after all it was MLK day wasn't it? Did you count the white hoods or swastikas? How many?

So, why didn't you see any, or rather, many black folk there? I mean after all it was the Republican Party and it was the first Republican president that gave us the Emancipation Proclamation and engaged upon a war to re-unite the country under a banner of total equality and justice, not for just the black people but whites too!. You know, that war where hundreds of thousand of folks, many of whom were white, most of whom were white, died to free our black brothers in the South.

So what happened? Right up until the 1970's the South remained staunchly Democrat and though the North was turning Democrat, mainly through labor concerns, there was still a big shift in attitude toward the black folks. Could it have been through political manipulation that the Republican party was made bereft of their shining acheivement, the liberation of the black folks? you know, divide and conquer where you tell one group, like labor, that the other SMALLER group is holding them down, holding them back! And that you, their party of choice is doing everything they can to help them out of that fix. But gee! it's difficult, their enemies are SO powerful. It's gonna take a lot of money and the real issues are so complex that you, the average guy can't really understand them so it's gonna take a long time too.

An of course the folk who buy into this malarkey are the numbers they need to get them into office. And what they do, once they get there is material for another giant thread which I have no real desire to explore right now. Nonetheless they continually make a boogeyman out of the polical opposition and lay all their failures to come through on their promises.

As affluence continued to grow many of the Democrats' earlier recruits also gained in affluence and realized the lie that the Democrt Party is. They wanted to keep more of what they earned so they began to vote against higher taxation and even more to the point they did not like a party defining them as "down-trodden". Gee, the Democrats needed to strengthen their base with more victims. Who but the black folks! What a gold mine. Divide and conquer and this was especially ripe because there WAS racism! Never mind that it was being largely perpetrated by Southern Democrats. Numbers were what counted and they were and are masters at counting numbers! I mean just look at Florida in the Bush election!

Well the racism was a mixed bag as far as those who supported it, those who were against it and those who didn't have a clue. And thankfully, although the issue was greatly exploited, great steps have been made to end it. But as far as politics go the Repubs completely missed the boat and lost there one-time crown jewel of their party. Ever since then it has been the Deomocrat Party defining what it means to be a person of color! And if ever the black man wanted proof that it was those OTHER white guys doing it to them, well just look at who is racist! QED in my opinion!

But now it's our poor downtrodden brothers to the south of the South who need the Democrats' help. Never mind that they aren't even citeizens of this country! That doesn't matter. Just get here by any means possible and VOTE DEMOCRAT! We will save you. You are being exploited by America! Infact the whole world is being exploited by America! Thank God for Obama or we would have never known that! And just find out what he believes about Salvation! But that too is another thread.

Well, there WERE some black folks at that rally, honest! And some of them were speakers there also. And what they said was far more important than a headcount by skin color. Racism exists, that is true but it is NOT the sole provence of any one party or any one race. It is mean and petty-minded and OUGHT to be identified and driven out of our society. No one can argue that. But we need to stop making boogeymen out of the specter of racism and we need to realize that by doing so is itself a form of racism.

I'll stop here. I'm sure I have given my detractors tons of ammo with which to have a field day. Some may even be deserved. I'll continue to read this thread a while longer. But I could write a book. Just not here.

Just a footnote: Since the Repubs have started to wake up to HOW politics are played (you know, Chicageo-style) they have more and more come to resemble their enemy. Maybe that is what drives the Tea-baggers. Me? I'm still a minority of one.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 06:15 PM

Well, yeah... BB allready pointed out that Dr. King's grandaughter did accept an *invitation* to be the token black person... So what??? Doesn't really change much...

Here you have, as reported by more than just me but media and other golks who have attended these Tea Party rallies, a bunch of angry white people with nothin' in the way of policy they want except to "have THEIR country back"...

Now I ain't gonna speak fir black America but the black folks I do know are scared shitless of these people... The old black folk remember Jim Crow and the younger ones have been told by their grand-daddies and grand-mas...

Until the Tea Party can expalin what it wants in terms of actual policies then, hey, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's more than likely a friggin' duck... Right now the Tea Party looks very much like the KKK sans the sheets...

The bit about them shooting people who disagree with them stinks of KKK, too... This is what the KKK did... They bullied and they terrorized people...

Explain to me, Slag, why that is okay in yer book...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 06:21 PM

Bobert: "Sorry if I sound impatient to you but there are alot of us waiting to hear what the heck these people want???"

Then, NICELY go to where they are having a 'get together', as if you are actually curious, and fucking ask them!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 07:31 PM

The Tea Party is based on a misreading of history. If it wants to pattern itself after the
Boston Tea Party, it is not consistent with the reaction of one nation against another.
England had a corporate entity known as the East India Tea Company that dominated
the commerce in the Colonies. Small tea merchants from the Colonies were put out of
work by the East India Tea Company (corporation) which had the support of King George.

The manufactured "Tea Party" in the US is not dominated by any foreign nation and the people who are a part of it are working and doing business under the protection of the laws of the Federal Government. Tea Partiers are not exactly downtrodden poor but kind of upper middle class. They are being financed by the likes of the Koch Brothers who are not exactly representative of the working-class populace. Nor is Dick Armey.

When they say they want "their" country back, what they mean is a return to a time when
blacks were being lynched in the South, Religion dominated the so-called morals of the public, no one questioned authority but obeyed robotically, and children were subjected
to daily child abuse if they didn't tow the line. The country of the Thirties through the Fifties was not served very well by this authoritarianism and it's well to remember that Roosevelt suffered at the hands of wealthy businessmen, some who plotted to assassinate
him. Fortunately he had the courage to stand up to them and saved many working-class jobs as a result.

Much of what "country" they want back is mythological. It was never a time that lacked turbulence, labor disputes, and a unilateral agreement on how the country should be won. Many of the Tea Partiers remember the Second World War and how it appeared that the country was more unified than it actually was. There was a lot of jingoism and flag waving that replaced genuine patriotism. When the war ended, many of these so-called conservatives looked around for another enemy to fight in an attempt to unify the country in a common ideology. In the Fifties they found Communism which then turned that time into a hysteria where innocent people went to jail through the purging of the drunken senator from Wisconsin. When he was finally removed, the public went into a kind of reaction and diversity in ideas. Many realized that they had been hoodwinked by a false "patriotism". They were left with confusion and anger which has carried through to this day.

Tea Partiers should realize that "you can't go home, again" which is to them the mythology of a "Leave It To Beaver" time that was seemingly free from strife and disputing discourse. They are angry because the US got its ass handed to it in Vietnam and there is a suspicion that the same thing is happening today in Iraq and AfPak.

Tea Partiers are suffering from a free-floating anger and find it difficult to target their anger to not much more than a Black President. The mythology of the Tea Party has nowhere to go in reality. Their claim of victimhood runs a lot deeper historically then
just their fear of a repressive government. Corporations have, however, found a way to channel this fear politically to protect their economic interests.

The Tea Party is hysterical and incapable of logical solutions to pressing issues such as unemployment which will not be cured by tax cuts. They can't find the same honest reverence for the "troops" as they once felt they had in WWII. Some brandish their weapons in an expression of impotent rage which very much looks like terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 08:05 PM

Well, GfinS... Seems like yer "driftin' too far from the shore" with the "insanity" bit...

You askin' me to go to Tea Party meeting is like asking an Afro-American back in the 30's to waltz into a Klan rally... I mean, you gotta get a grip here 'cause yer goin' down fast...

Strings put it out there... This is reality... This so-called movement is being bankrolled bhy some very, very, very rich people with their own agnedas who looked around and found that with their million$ that they could incite a bunch of angry white people to riot... And riot it has been... First of all, these very, very, very rich people put together a "primer" on how to disrupt a public gathering, then hired hundreds of "community orgainizer" to go out and get Reneck Nation all lathered up and this is what you have...

These people are being used as pawns and are clueless as to what they really want... They have to be told by FOX Command Central what to say and what to think before they will open their mouths other than parrot, "we want our country back"...

I mean, these are some very stupid people if they have to wait for marching orders from FOX Central...

This is the reality that all Tealibaners here won't address because they haven't gotten their marching orders yet...

Yet they parrot "Bobert is a Dem" or "Strings is a Dem" thinking that that is the end of the story... That is complete bullshit... This ain't about Dems or Bobert or Strings... It's about one shitload of vert barinwashed brownshirters waiting for their next orders...

I tell ya' what... I'd be more tghan willin' to go on any national TV show and debate any Tea Party leader/follower... I'd go without any notes and I'd bet everything I own, includin; my garndmother's Bible, that I would tiest the best of them into a pretzel in less then 10 minutes...

I mean, afetr 500 posts here I can't get one friggin' moronic Tealiabner here to just denounce friggin' violence against people who don't agtree with them!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??...

Ehat the heck is that all about, GfinS???

Why would ya'll denounce yer Taliban tactics???

Huh???

Cat got yer tongue???

Glen Beck got yer tongue???

Osama bin Laden got yer tongue???

Huh???

Come on, ya'll Tea Partiers... Waht, too busy partyin' to have any appreciation for democracy and *****Freedom******...; Frededd om mena being able to go to a town meeting and not be roughed up by a bunch of "true believer" brownshirts...

Huh???

Anyone goin' to step up here or ya'll afraidf of yer own "handlers"...

"Step outta line the man come and take you away..."

Bunch of wusses as far as I can see, ya'llz...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 08:24 PM

Gosh, Bobert, you sound frantic, like you're coming undone at the seems!

Really, if you want to find out what they're about, go ask one...and don't be so prejudiced, that you can't be inquiring. It won't hurt you.
Shit, I bet you've played in rougher bars!
Just go find out...if you WON'T, then it is YOU, that is uneducatedly opinionated....and therefore, full of shit!

Waving,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 08:57 PM

Well, not really, GfinS... I ain't torqued at all...Been a mellow day and that's just fine in my world...

But, ahhhhhh, with the Tea Party getting almost 24/7 media attention as if it was a newly discovred pill that cures everything that can kill ya' andf guarenttes that you will liove to be at least 100 years old, you'd think that along the way someone from the tea Party would tell the other American people just what the ehck they believe in???

Listen, GfinS... They have a Tea Party here in Page County... Thay even showed a picture of the folks at a meeting... I was lookin' at the piccure and thinkin', "Hey, that's ____________ and...geeze, there's _______________..." and then thinkin', "Hmmmmmmmm, them ain't like the brightest bulbs in the shop..." and then thinkin' about going to one of their meetings???

That'd reminded me of going back to my student teachin' days in college when I had to spend a week working with
"special needs" kids... I mean, God knows I loved them kids, but I sho nuff wouldn't have wanted any of them growing up to run the country... Or town... Or county...

So ya' think that a little ***adult romper room*** will give me a perspective on what ya'll is all about???

Excuse me but I'm gonna go in the bathroom, look in the mirror and se if "Dumb Ass" is tatooed on my forehead...

Gorget it!!!

Get one of ya'llz to go on TV and share ***JUST ONE*** policy position with the rest of US...

Bet the farm you won't...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 10:39 PM

Now, go stand in front of the mirror, and enunciate real well, so maybe you can read your own lips, "GfS does NOT belong to the Tea Party"..OKAY?? Now try it again, and listen real well.. "GEE eff ESS, D-o-e-s NOT BEE-LONG, to THHE Tea PAR-Tee".....okay, you almost got it, one more time....GfS does not belong to the Tea Party"

Now that wasn't to fuckin' hard, was it?...............SOOOOOOOOO, Stop asking ME about what they're policies are.....

ASK a TEA PARTIER....and if so, try not to volunteer too many arguments..just LISTEN, and pick their brains...if you REALLY want to know. Besides, " Proverbs 18:13 He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him."

and.. " The proverb says wise men speak knowledge. They do not belch vain opinions, which fools love to do. They study before they speak (15:28)."

Now, to me, that is pretty good, PRACTICAL advice....don't you think???

(apparently not too often).....wink...

However, we do share some of the same bitches about the present two main parties....but, so do I and Little Hawk...Why don't you go ask him!
(sorry Little Hawk, I didn't mean to do that you... really!)

OKAY...???

Now you can go 'fear and loathe' in peace!!

But of course,
Warmest Regards, (to such a closed minded blather-er),

GfS


P.S. Hope you had, at least, a slight chuckle.....before gritting your teeth)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 11:25 PM

Bobert: "our governement has two standards... One for righties that says it's pkay to carry a weapon to a ralley where the president is to speak... The other which says it's not okay for liberals to have guns"

Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"


Bobert: "The second point is that there are more and more incidents of folks suggesting on the right suggesting violence"

Obama: "I want you to argue with them and get in their face"


Bobert: "the message that the Tea Partiers are sending is that violence is just peachy"

Bobert: "To all my progressive friends: like Rap has said, buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight 'cause these rednecks mean to kill people who ain't like them"

That, my friends, is dual standards...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Slag
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 12:11 AM

I guess I missed the news cycle that included T-partiers with guns or advocating shootin' their perceived opposition. I guess I will have to start watching more TV (damn!). Never knew that just saying that you aren't happy with the status quo aligned you with so many down-right dangerous folks.

And Strings, nothing is like anything was... that's the nature of time. Does that preclude someone from alluding to some charateristics of things past? Like a tea party where we told the English crown that we are tired of his oppression? You sure sets some awfully high standards and hoops to jump through for your opposition, don'tcha?

Truth is these folks ( and they ARE folks, you know ) are just tired with the pat game both the left and the right play, especially when there isn't a dime's worth of difference between them. I mean Obama is looking more like Geo. Bush every day. "Change you can believe in!" In a pig's eye. But you all would never admit to it, would ya! Why aren't you all discussing his execution like you were doing about GW? or would that be racist? Huh? Your utter hypocracy makes me want to puke!

"Red is gray and yellow, white
yet we decide which is right
and, which IS delusion?"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 08:58 AM

Ya' got it half right, Slagster...

The Tea Party folks are tired of the left... These are the same folks who used to be John Birchers back in the 50s and 60s... Same anger... Same lack of any real ideas other than anger and hatred...

BTW, these people loved George Bush... He convinced them that he was one of them... Of course, he wasn't but his PR team went out of it's way to paint him as some country-boy-hero... Which, again, he wasn't...

Obama??? Nah... He's more like Bill Clinton than George Bush... He has latched onto Clinton's pragmatism which means that he understands the reality that we have a broken government that is kinda hard to drive... I mean, it's a struggle just keepin' it out of the ditches...

That's more of what people are angry over... Heck, I'm angry over it, too... If we had "majority rule" in the Senate then it would work better for the American people but what we have is "minority rule" in the Senate...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 01:28 PM

There are similar characteristics. This is true. The Sons of Liberty ran many of what they called offenders out on a rail. The problem is that the historical parallel is not accurate.

The protesters in the Tea Party are confused about who the real "enemy" is. The earlier
Tea Party protesters in Colonial times knew that the "enemy" was the corporation. Tea Partiers today don't get that to their detriment. Many defend the very monolith that will ensure that they will never be satisfied. Corporations are running the government rather than the other way around. The protective agencies of the government have been corrupted by the greed and big money of Wall Street (Summers, Geithner and yes, the loyalty of his earlier financial roots, Obama).

If the Tea Partiers would align themselves with the Left, they could achieve their goals easier because they would recognize that there are similar goals in common, 1. A responsive government that protects people instead of bilking them through corporative influence, 2. An anti-war strategy that would save the country over a trillion dollars,
3. A clean-up of finance reform in politics and an accurate method of avoiding corruption in the US voting process.

Instead, the Tea Partiers are a reactionary force that will sometimes resort to violence out of their frustration by having no realistic goals.   In this way, they might be closer to Al Quaeda with one difference. The latter has a definable goal however unrealistic it might be.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 05:10 PM

Stringsinger: "The protective agencies of the government have been corrupted by the greed and big money of Wall Street (Summers, Geithner and yes, the loyalty of his earlier financial roots, Obama)."

I agree with that one, BIG TIME!!

Stings: "If the Tea Partiers would align themselves with the Left, they could achieve their goals easier because they would recognize that there are similar goals in common,...."

Nope...they should NOT align themselves with ANYONE, but their own core values....let the voters and history judge them, as it will.

GfS

P.S. Besides, the Tea Baggers very much disagree with the left.
I think it is their momentum that the 'left' envies, but the 'left' fucked up, BIG TIME!!!..and have just about blown ALL their credibility.....(a few die-hards excluded, of course)!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 07:25 PM

Tell ya' what, GfinS... The policies that the left believes in are the only policies that can move the country forward... I challenged the right here in Mudville to pick any policy they wanted to a few years back and they picked the response to Katrina...

If you have a couple weeks you could read the entire "Katrinagate" thread which I started in response to a hand picked issue from the Mudville right and after 800 posts I don't I shreaded every argument they made...

I will do that with any issue or policy as long as it is framed as something real... "Wanting my country back" is not an issue... It's a pep-ralley slogan which means absolutely nothing...

No, what we have here is the corporation spending money like has never been spent fighting against Obma and dems... That is reality... This ain't about ideas or policies 'cause the Tea Party don't know squat about that kinda stuff...

This is 100% about ther influence of money!!! Tens upon millions for community organizers and media buys...


"Please don't tax our food" is the newest one that is being blasted at US every night... Who is trying to do that??? No one... But the message is clear... Who is paying for that ad??? Who knows...

"Don't tax our energy because it will cost us jobs"... That one has been around for a couple months... Who exactly is trying to do that??? No one... But the message come thru load and clear... Who pays for this ad??? Who knows...

What we are seeing is grand theft of the American go0vernment on a scale that has not been seen in any of our life times and maybe never...

No, this ain't got one thing to do with the good government and good policy...

It's all about the rich wanting to get richer!!! That is reality...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Sep 10 - 10:41 PM

Bobert: "Tell ya' what, GfinS... The policies that the left believes in are the only policies that can move the country forward....."

Right off a cliff, with the rest of the other lemmings.

Bobert: "I will do that with any issue or policy as long as it is framed as something real... "Wanting my country back" is not an issue... It's a pep-ralley slogan which means absolutely nothing..."

I don't see it as merely a 'pep rally slogan'..but rather from people who recognize that government has been removed from, representing the people, and the people are being told, what they have to accept, from the dictates, of a government body, who does not represent the 'will of the people' nor are bound by the framework of its Constitution...and, the people want their country back....that's all.

Bobert: "What we are seeing is grand theft of the American go0vernment on a scale that has not been seen in any of our life times and maybe never..."

You got that right!!!......but you're looking one in direction, at one party, while from another direction, you're being ripped off, too. They are blindsiding you. Both parties are accomplishing the same thing, but in doing it, they just 'appeal' to two different 'mindsets'..which, by the way, they sold to you, in the first place! To the right, that 'their way' is the correct way, and the other side is the wrong way.
The other side is doing the same thing..BUT, the rip off is the same! This now is so wide open, that it is beyond concealing, anymore! The Majority of people DO NOT trust our government!!

Bobert: "No, this ain't got one thing to do with the good government and good policy..."

CORRECT, AGAIN!.....and that 'good government' is made up, primarily, from TWO parties!!!


Bobert: "It's all about the rich wanting to get richer!!! That is reality..."

So, they shouldn't have the freedom, to be rich??
The problem isn't just, 'the rich', the problem is the ABUSE, of the rich, through the 'selective enforcement' of laws restricting the 'rich' to abuse, and repress the rights of those who have not risen to that level of wealth, considered rich.
They do this, by CORRUPTING the process, to allow them to get away with non-enforcement of various laws, (anti trust, labor, etc etc), and preferential tax loopholes(overseas manufacturing, exemptions from those profits, etc etc).
Just as corrupt, is the other side of the coin, unions, being amongst the top of the list.
Not all Unions are bad. Not all the rich are corrupt....That being said, the accumulation of wealth SHOULD be based on accomplishment, not on who you can corrupt, and get away with it....for personal gain.
After money, the game is for POWER..POWER to CONTROL...and to that end, comes REPRESSION, of those others, who they see as a challenge, to THEIR CONTROL. THIS is where is gets ugly.....but by the time it is at this point, laws have already been broken, secret deals made,..and it is US that gets screwed. Blaming the 'rich' or just going after the 'rich' does not cover, what you are trying to accomplish......

......besides, ever got a job from a poor person??

No, Bobert, it really IS the corrupt ways, that this country has been operating, that has us where we are now! The only contention, is to WHO is doing it and WHY, their doing it, and what next?? ..to what end........then, how to stop it!!!

Fair Enough.....(and with no insults, either).

Regards,

GfS

P.S. If you think this was 'hostile' in any manner, whatsoever, re-read it slowly, with no projection, of ANYTHING arrogant, or argumentative. We ALL feel the same pinch!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 08:57 AM

I understand what your interpretation of "we want our country back is, GfinS... The problem is that if you ask 100 Tea Baggers what it means you'll gat 50% who won't understand the question and of the remaining 50% you'll get 50 different answers... That is what we call moving the goal posts... No one on the left can debate 50 different answers...

Should the rich have the right to be rich... Of course they should but... 1. not by cheating as Wall Street has done and gotten away with and still continues to get away with and 2. the rich shoould also pay their sahre in taxes as it relates to how much wealth they have corrled for themselves...

Fact, GfinS: The tax rates on all individuals now in the US is lower than any industrialized country in the world and at a 30 year low...

Fact, GfinS: The upper 5% percent has corraled 80% of the cpountry's wealth yet pays only roughly 50% of the taxes... That means that 30% of the nation's wealth is exempted...

Fact, GfinS: Cutting taxes even more will contribute to the deficit unless Draconian cuts are made in spending...

Fact, GfinS: All the "earmarks" that the Repubs complain about (even though they get well over half of them) don't account for even 1% of the federal budget...

Fact, GfinS: There are people within the Republican Party who believe in the theory of "starve the beast" (like Bush almost did) as a strategy to kill off the New Deal...

Fact, GfinS: John Beohner is from Mars... Jus' kiddin'...

But, no, let's get real here... The debate right now that the needs to occur is how we get the country out of a 30 year downward spiril... We spend 17% of out GNP on health care yet are tryiong to compete with the rest of the industrialized world that averages 8% and with much better results... I mean, we don't rank in the top ten in life expectancy and we're now like 24th in infant mortality??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans... Our eductaional system is shot... We don't rank in the top 20 in math and science when there was a time we were 1st in both??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans...

You can go down the list of issues and seems as if one side thinks "we want our country back" or "cut taxes" is the answer to them all... Wrongo, Mary Lou... Ain't gonna happen... Might of fact, it is not onlly childish but terribly irresponsible to propagate such nonsense... These people who are exposing these as responsible policy options should not be in a positon of leadership... They should quit... This ain't no friggin' college football game here... This is our country slowly slippin' further down and the Tea Party and the Jogn Boenhers are rearranging the deck chairs and deciding what song to play next...

That, my dear, is irresonsible...

Seriouis business...

BTW, threatening to use 2nd ammendment remedies against people who one disagrees with is not only irresponsible but it is unAmerican, as well...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 04:28 PM

Bobert: "Should the rich have the right to be rich... Of course they should but... 1. not by cheating as Wall Street has done and gotten away with and still continues to get away with and 2. the rich shoould also pay their sahre in taxes as it relates to how much wealth they have corrled for themselves...

Okay, that's fair.

Fact, GfinS: The tax rates on all individuals now in the US is lower than any industrialized country in the world and at a 30 year low...

Are you saying you want YOUR taxes to go up??

Fact, GfinS: The upper 5% percent has corraled 80% of the cpountry's wealth yet pays only roughly 50% of the taxes... That means that 30% of the nation's wealth is exempted...

Those figures are a little skewed. Look at it another way, using the same numbers...5% of 'those people' are paying 50% of the taxes. Many people pay NO taxes!..and many of those people are on 'the dole'.

Fact, GfinS: Cutting taxes even more will contribute to the deficit unless Draconian cuts are made in spending...

Good idea!!!

Fact, GfinS: All the "earmarks" that the Repubs complain about (even though they get well over half of them) don't account for even 1% of the federal budget...

1% is 1%....if that is at all true.

Fact, GfinS: There are people within the Republican Party who believe in the theory of "starve the beast" (like Bush almost did) as a strategy to kill off the New Deal...

I would rather see a re-structuring and better efficiency. The amount that the poor get, is LESS than the amount to administer the bureaucracy!! Bigger, wasteful government, and bigger wasteful spending, agreed?

Fact, GfinS: John Beohner is from Mars... Jus' kiddin'...

...and I'm from Sanity....

Bobert: "But, no, let's get real here... The debate right now that the needs to occur is how we get the country out of a 30 year downward spiril... We spend 17% of out GNP on health care yet are tryiong to compete with the rest of the industrialized world that averages 8% and with much better results... I mean, we don't rank in the top ten in life expectancy and we're now like 24th in infant mortality??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans... Our eductaional system is shot... We don't rank in the top 20 in math and science when there was a time we were 1st in both??? That won't get fixed with simplistic bumper-sticker Tea Party slogans..."

What I would like to see, as long as you are attacking the 'rich', is a moratorium in regards to paying the private banking concern, called 'The Federal Reserve', for all the fiat money they've printed, THROUGH THE YEARS and charged us the maximum interest rates at whatever time it was printed. Most of our tax money does not pay for services rendered by the Federal government, but rather paying off the interest on the printed, 'loaned' money!!...I mean, if you really want to go after the rich...go after the biggest schmucks of all!!!

The Federal government is also W-A-A-A-Y to bloated, and grossly inefficient in regards to their entitlement programs. This cost could, and should be brought under reasonable control, to better serve the people who REALLY need the assistance....agreed?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 04:41 PM

GfS

I think Bobert is saying that since they control MORE than 50% of the wealth, they should pay more than 50% of the taxes.

But then, the bottom 50% of the population pays no ( net) taxes- thus is presumed to have control of NONE of the wealth.

This works, IF we ALSO let that 5%, with control of 80% of the wealth, have 80% of the VOTES TO CONTROL HOW THAT WEALTH IS USED.

As it is, they pay 50% of the taxes, and only get 5% of the votes.

And the 50% that pay no (net) taxes get 50% of the votes. Seems like they do not have a stake in the game, and no reason to vote responsibly, since NONE of the wealth is in their hands, nor are they paying any (net) taxes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 05:22 PM

Well, yeah, if 5% control 89% of the wealth then havng them pay only 50% of the taxes is a good reason why we are in a fiscal mess... That exe4mpts 30% (minimum) of wealth not being taxed... BTW, it was taxed ijn the 50's under Eisenhower and you didn't have all these rich crybabies...

And, yes, I am perfectly willing to pay more taxes if it's part of reclaiming lost revenuse on the 30% exempted wealth... That alone would get our fiscal health in much better shape and create enough money to deal with the basic obligations and promises we have made to our working/middle class...

As for how those tax dollars would be used??? Ain't rocket surgery... They would be used to shore up our infastructure, to provide universal health care and to get our kids better educated so we can better compete in a global economy where we are getting our asses kicked by countries that are using their taxes for exactly those purposes...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 10 - 09:27 PM

Bobert, there are two ways of accumulating profit, one is to charge more money, therefore raising prices, right?.....and the other is to lower your overhead. This is done, be overhauling the efficiency of any given system. I think the government could come light years, in the dealing with our tax money, honestly, and efficiently, from the ills and irresponsibility accumulated by BOTH parties through the years, through their reckless disregard, of the well-being of their constituents!
Instead of rolling things BACK, both parties tend to 'play one 'upsmanship' on the party previously in power...which they feel they are ENTITLED to legislate MORE, expensive crap, because the 'other party' got such and such...and NOW its OUR turn!...Meanwhile, 'back at the homestead', we are stuck, compensating for shit passed, we didn't need in the first place!!!!.........We needed a war?????...We needed a badly flawed health care system??....We needed these gigantic 'bailouts'?....any body bailing out YOU???!!!??
Now, to pull this shit off,they have to
convince YOU, that this is in your best interest, and wouldn't you like to have it??...............NO!! Before THAT, I WANT HONEST government, and a removal of every obstacle, put by you morons(meaning, out of touch politicians)..and clean up your act!!
....and quit trying to ennoble those faults, you don't wish to correct....Get the hell out of Washington!!!...In fact, a group of you jerks should be 'doin' time'!!!..Both in government, and the crooked profiteers, who control some of our corporations!!!

Bobert, I think